New Process A833 4speed w/ OD MY6 MM7

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Sumbish !!! Look here bucket. Manual Z bar linkage bell housing for this trans and it's dual pattern !!!
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Well I'll be a monkey's uncle. I'm going to go dig mine out and have a look, but I don't think it was dual pattern. Maybe just because it was older.

The more you post here, the more I want one of these. I'd put it in the Blazer behind the torquey 454 and have some real fun on the street. I could shift quick and run 4.10's because of the OD.
 

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hahaha, I'm half tempted to go for it and get the CUCV 4.56 carrier and Detroit Locker in the truck, do a gear change in the front axle and rock it. Shouldn't notice that wide ratio gap with 4.56's. Just wind it up tight in 1st before going to 2nd.
 

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Got the wind taken out of my sails a bit on this project. I did find a bit more info, and someone mentioned it has a Th400 Output Shaft. Went to see and sure enough. That's good really. Much stronger than the Th350/700r4 output shaft BUT, All my NP208's are for 700r4's. Only thing I know of that came OEM with Th400 NP208's is CUCV's. Or did 3/4 tons get the NP208's too? The guy I bought this from still have the NP208 and wants $75 for it. I can't see spending $75 if I have 3 NP208's. His NP208 with the correct spline count also doesn't have an adapter sicne the adapter is on this trans. I think I just might hit him up and see if he'll trade me an NP208 with the Adapter for a 700r4/Th350 w/ spacer unit. We here know the 700r4 w adapter unit will be much easier to sell than a Th400 unit wo an adapter. :shrug: He didn't seem to sharp on this stuff, so I think he'd probably think I'm trying to pull the wool over his eyes.
 

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I just recalled something else. I do believe SM465 output shafts are the same as Th400's. So an SM465 NP208 should work for me too.:waytogo: Does the NP208's output shaft matter if it's a SM465/Th400 unit or would the output shaft also be the same as Th350/700r4/Muncie M20 & M21/ Powerglide? Back to more research to find out for sure, but I believe they're the same. I'd alomst like for it to be bigger too. Bigger input and output shafts would make it stronger, making the weak links the aluminum case and chain.
I wanted to run the Th350/NP205 and actually a Th400/NP205 in the other 4x4 since it's going to be behind the 454, but I just might put this little a833 to the test and run it in the truck I'm putting the full floater, lift, 35 - 37in tires and Big Block. If I do that, I know where the CUCV 4.56 axle is going. Think the NP208 will hold up???
 

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I still have more research to do, but it's looking like I can actually bolt a 32 spline TH400 NP205 to this transmission, just by notching the flange of the adapter for the NP205 linkage just like it's notched for the SM465. Possibly have to cut off part of the output shaft too. Not positive on that part yet. But I do know where I think I can get a Th400 NP205. It's sitting in the Tow Yard shop attached to a Th400. I was thnking about asking the boss if I could have the combo anyway. His daughters 85 K10 needs a little work. I bet I can have that set sitting there on the floor doing NOTHING.

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You can see the outline of the notch needed where this one was bolted up before going around the shift linkage.
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I swear I had a 70's Dodge p/u with this tranny behind a slant six. :think:
 

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I swear I had a 70's Dodge p/u with this tranny behind a slant six. :think:

You probably did. An 80's? I had a friend with one too. His was like an 84 with slant 6.
 

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3/4 tons came with the th400 and np208, so that is very common... and if you ask me it's very good news too. You're really killing me here, it just keeps getting better and better. I hope I can find one.
 

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Yeah, I'm like it too. It just means the trans is a bit stronger in the tail end, and the Tcase is a bit stronger at the input and I think I bigger bearing too. And I'd really like to see about getting an NP205 married to it.
 

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You probably did. An 80's? I had a friend with one too. His was like an 84 with slant 6.


I think it was a '78 or '79, my very first vehicle I bought 16 years old. I remember the trans #. This was the one:

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ewwwwwww get that nasty **** off my thread. :rofl:
 

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Hahahhahaha. :)



Just to note, that was a rock solid trans, I loved it. And the motor too, indestructible. It's the rest of the vehicle that was a piece of dawg ****, lol!!!
 

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I like the decals on the bug deflector, that's classy :)
 

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Now that my thread is trashed with Dodge **** all over it, and biggo honkin ass Texas 80's style bug defelector, we may as well post our old pics on here too with our Mullets and trash it real good. :rofl:

Anyone able to confirm or deny that the NP208 and NP205 are the same round pattern that bolt to the adapters, with exception of the NP205 needing notched for the linkage???

So as you can tell by the pics of this transmission, it comes with the adpater built in as part of the tailshaft housing. What I'd like to do is take an NP208 adapter I have off on and NP208/700r4 splined Tcase and make me a paper template out of poster board like heavy paper. Then match it up the NP205 and cut the notch out. Once I have the NP205 paper template. Transfer it to the adapter portion of this NP A833 tailshaft, then get busy with the angle grincer and finish it off with the Dremel too for a perfect OEM look, fit and function to be able to use an NP205 with this transmission.

If I do indeed get this figured out and have an NP205 married to it, this Trans isn't going in the 85 K1500 light duty purpose 4x4. It'll be going in the 85 K10 Heavier Duty purpose K20 conversion project. It was intended to run 3.73 14 bolt full float, and a Th350 or Th400, NP205 on 35 inch x 12.50 tires. If I get this done, to hell with 3.73's. I'll be installing the 3/4 ton springs and taking the 4.56's and Detroit Locker out of the CUCV rear end I have, doing a 4.56 gear change in the ARB air locker front axle, converting it to 8 lug and running the 4.56's. Having the OD, even the 4.56's will be very streetable/highway driveable on 35's. And with the lower gear, the wide ratio gap from 1-2 shouldn't be a big issue and if so, in a situation where needed as C4 pointed out, with 4 low it's not going to be a factor.

For that math, with this trans, 4.56's on 35in tires, I'd be at 2400rpm @ 75mph. And at my normal 80 mph highway driving out to my dads place 2550 rpm. Nothing wrong with that !!!

Even taking into consideration the cruddy crawl ratio of an NP205, with 4.56's and this deep first gear of 3.09, I'd still have a 27.61 to 1, first gear crawl ratio, which is even deeper than the original plan of a Th350/NP205 and 3.73's that is equal to 18.42 to 1 first gear crawl ratio. It's actaully even a better crawl ratio than Th350/NP208 and 3.73's which is a first gear crawl ratio of 24.44. All in all, this A833/NP205 w 4.56's is giving me everything better from top to bottom, Much more highway driveable, and a deeper crawl ratio to boot, all while having great strength in the Tcase and rear axle. From evertything I'm finding, this A833 is no slouch and can tolerate some abuse too, so my weak link is going to be the front axle. I have no intention of doing a D60 swap, but if I steal one cheap, I'll damn sure use it. With ALLLLL of that said, since this truck will be highway driveable, and tough enough for off road use, I'll only need one 4x4 and the 85K1500 is likely to be my 16yo son's project.
 

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Here's a tidbit of info on converting to the NP205. So this has me convinced, yes I can get an NP205 to bolt to this trans witout even buying an adapter just by notching the flange. But, do I want to cut the output shaft off the trans, or go with the 1-1 1/2 inch spacer since I'd actually need the short stickout and it appears according to this statement, all the 86 and up Circular patterns are the Long 3.5 stickout and I need the 2 inch stickout? I have no fear whatsover of pulling this trans apart, taking the output shaft out of it, and cutting it off an inch or so to make it work. I prefer not to cut the trans incase my plans change and I can go back to NP208 in another project but, I think I'll let driveshaft length decide. Also if I use the spacer it might put the Tcase shifter up against the seat, then I won't be able to shift the Tcase without shifter mods. Also, another good thing, I read on this same site, is the output shaft of the NP205 is also 32 spline, so that means it uses a Th400 slip yoke or bolt on yoke. Both of which are stronger than the Th350/700r4. Parts of this just keep getting better and better.

1986 and Later GM NP205: 6 Bolt circular bolt pattern:
At this point GM updated the unit to use the same 6 bolt circular bolt pattern used on the NP208, and all subsequent GM full size 4x4 truck applications. All of them are the 32 spline female input, although those we have seen are the long (about 3.5" stickout) 32 spl input.
 

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