My new to me 01' SSEI

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ZZP advertised 100-140° temp drops

I made a little calculator for my scanner to output post blower temps and I was seeing 200-250° depending on the day, lol

Dropping it back down to reasonable temps for pump gas is the best thing for it
 

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Nice. Yeah, I've seen before where people complain about an intercooler "losing" boost, thinking its a bad thing, I figured you knew that, but others reading might not. While you're adding a flow restriction of some kind when you add an intercooler, I'd guess it only restricts flow maybe a tenth or two of a PSI at max flow. The rest is cooling, and is a good thing. Keep it happier at a lower boost pressure and the same power output, or crank it up and get more out of it for the same level of risk. Something makes me guess you will "find" those lost 2 pounds and more now that you have more margin ;)

Side question, how critical is it to run premium on one of these, stock? I'm guessing it will pull timing and keep it safe, but don't know if it kills it bad enough in normal driving to make the overall MPG difference into spending more dollars per mile in fuel or still come out ahead by saving 50-60 cents/gallon.
 

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Nice. Yeah, I've seen before where people complain about an intercooler "losing" boost, thinking its a bad thing, I figured you knew that, but others reading might not. While you're adding a flow restriction of some kind when you add an intercooler, I'd guess it only restricts flow maybe a tenth or two of a PSI at max flow. The rest is cooling, and is a good thing. Keep it happier at a lower boost pressure and the same power output, or crank it up and get more out of it for the same level of risk. Something makes me guess you will "find" those lost 2 pounds and more now that you have more margin ;)

Side question, how critical is it to run premium on one of these, stock? I'm guessing it will pull timing and keep it safe, but don't know if it kills it bad enough in normal driving to make the overall MPG difference into spending more dollars per mile in fuel or still come out ahead by saving 50-60 cents/gallon.

I definitely intend on turning the boost up! Currently its got a stock 3.8" pulley on the blower. I bought a 3" pulley from ZZP. That ought to get me up to 12-14 psi

To answer the question regarding octane, its like a 8.5:1 c/r motor i think in the s/c L67s. Whereas i think the n/a 3800s are more like 9-9.5:1 c/r.

ive been running 89 octane in it because im a cheap a$$ but the times I would put 93 in it when the forecast called for HOT days ahead, the spark retard would definitely lessen to only a couple degrees.

The timing maps in this ssei factory for high octane was like max 8-12° btdc in the power band, and the low octane table was around 5° less. So if it knocked any it would favor the low octane table.

That coupled with the aggressive IAT spark offsets from GM, there was times I was shifting @ WOT with single digit timing non-ic LOL

HONESTLY the best thing you could do for a s/c 3800 is either tune it yourself like I did, or take it to someone else and immediately give it proper fueling.

Pretty much the first thing I did when I got it was give it more fuel (richer afr), and made it enter power enrichment sooner than GM had it factory. Didnt even touch spark.
I adjusted the MAF meter a little in the higher airmass, and literally drove it like that for months.

I also changed the shift strategy so it would stop going to 3rd gear as quickly as possible. Just stretched the gears out.

GM for WHAT EVER reason had it holding stoich up to 2 or 3 psi. Probably economy.
I could see why so many of them blow head gaskets.

They just made it impossible to enter PE, made it lug everywhere, and let knock retard run rampant to keep it from blowing itself up.

Regarding MPG, It allegedly was calculating like 18mpg... the readout not says 21.

But I also deleted some unnecessary fuel wasting chit for the e - p - a , and leaned out accelerator enrichment and utilized deceleration enleanment a little.
 

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@Vbb199 those coolant elbows are available in aluminum now, if you weren't already aware.
 

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@Vbb199 those coolant elbows are available in aluminum now, if you weren't already aware.
Oh yeah! I picked em up from the help section at oreilly
What puzzled me was one was already replaced, the other was still oem plastic
 

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Oh yeah! I picked em up from the help section at oreilly
What puzzled me was one was already replaced, the other was still oem plastic

Plastic was the only thing available for a long time, so maybe not oem.
 

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You say you "lost" boost, is that from restriction, or actually just a reduction in pressure because the temperature is so much lower? Are you running a MAF that you can read, because I'd bet most of it is the temp reduction rather than restriction.

Glad it's running good and not pulling timing. I'm sure that things is a hoot to drive!

So I wanted to do some data logs before I replied to this. The butt-dyno felt like it had more torque at a lower boost level but I didn't want to say that until I was sure.

Well... I was right. Its got more torque. Im reaching a higher cylinder airmass at 6.5 psi than I was at 8psi.

I used to hit .81 g/cyl @ 8psi, I now hit .84 g/cyl @ 6psi

The MAF meter is showing a higher airflow at approx 300-400rpm lower than before
(So say i was hitting 9600hz at 5000 rpm when it was non ic, now im hitting that same 9600hz at 4600-4700rpm)

Also the torque PID on the pcm is showing around a 30-40 ft lb jump over what it was non-ic at the same rpm.



I cannot wait to throw the 3" pulley on and some 60# injectors.
 

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Perfect example, that's exactly what you want to see!

A buddy had a Regal GS, we did the smaller pulley but no intercooler. We would stick bags of ice on the blower when we went to the 1/8 mile strip, it made a big difference but heat soak was a killer. I think he bought a methanol injection kit, maybe got it running, maybe not, hard to remember, but he sold the car not long after.
I loved the feeling of driving a living room couch at high speed, similar feel as my 85 Monte that I did a 5.3 swap. Still have the Monte but transmission issues on it are too low on the list.

haha, just saw your signature - "Sometimes money isn't an issue, sometimes it is. Sometimes time isnt an issue, sometimes it is. Never at the same time do they align where they both aren't an issue" - Exactly.
 

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haha, just saw your signature - "Sometimes money isn't an issue, sometimes it is. Sometimes time isnt an issue, sometimes it is. Never at the same time do they align where they both aren't an issue" - Exactly.
Story of my life!!!
 

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