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No stupid questions, only stupid answers. Some were copper, some steel. Both usually flash plated with what ever was used to plate copper wire connectors.

Not the reason I have been told.


6V systems Another hint, what else was stated about 6V systems?



Not the reason, but you are right. Could be handy for jump starts.

So I did find three reasons with the right Google search. Now I know no one did that because the third reason is what I'm looking for. Maybe professional help: @Keith Seymore
I looked it up. Not sure what else you're looking for except static electricity, but I thought that was mentioned. Positive ground? High amp.
 

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Ground straps are where I would pony up the money and get some nice braided straps.
Frame to engine block
Core support to frame
Cab to frame or engine block
Bed to frame

And of course a solid battery cable to frame.

Then double check all the smaller mounting grounds for the headlights and taillights.
Battery cable goes to engine . The starter and alternator are you're highest amperage circuits, so they get priority.
 
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I looked it up. Not sure what else you're looking for except static electricity, but I thought that was mentioned. Positive ground? High amp.
The braided design offers several key advantages for automotive applications:

  • Superior Flexibility and Durability: Because the engine sits on flexible rubber or hydraulic motor mounts, it constantly twists and shifts when accelerating or idling. A solid wire would quickly snap or suffer metal fatigue. The braided mesh flexes seamlessly with engine movement without breaking.

    • High-Frequency Interference (RFI) Reduction: Electrical components, such as the ignition system, continuously generate radio-frequency noise. Braided straps excel at absorbing and suppressing this electromagnetic interference (EMI) because high-frequency currents travel on the outer surface of a wire (known as the "skin effect"). The flat, braided surface provides a much larger overall area than a standard round wire, which helps safely dissipate this noise and prevents static over the car's speakers.
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    • Voltage Stabilization: Properly grounded engine blocks and chassis ensure that all electronic modules receive a clean, stable return path for electricity. Poor grounding can cause "floating grounds," leading to confusing sensor readings, erratic transmission shifting, and heavy electrical load issues.
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    • Heat Dissipation: The woven nature of the strap promotes better heat dissipation compared to enclosed, insulated wiring. This is vital near hot engine blocks, exhaust manifolds, or high-draw systems like the starter motor.
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    • High Conductivity: Often made of bare or tinned copper, these uninsulated straps provide a direct, low-resistance path for the heavy electrical currents required to operate high-draw equipment and safeguard sensitive computer systems.
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Number three on this list too. Heat dissipation. Also would help cool the battery after high use of amps after starting those engines running 6 volts.
 
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The braided design offers several key advantages for automotive applications:

  • Superior Flexibility and Durability: Because the engine sits on flexible rubber or hydraulic motor mounts, it constantly twists and shifts when accelerating or idling. A solid wire would quickly snap or suffer metal fatigue. The braided mesh flexes seamlessly with engine movement without breaking.

    • High-Frequency Interference (RFI) Reduction: Electrical components, such as the ignition system, continuously generate radio-frequency noise. Braided straps excel at absorbing and suppressing this electromagnetic interference (EMI) because high-frequency currents travel on the outer surface of a wire (known as the "skin effect"). The flat, braided surface provides a much larger overall area than a standard round wire, which helps safely dissipate this noise and prevents static over the car's speakers.
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    • Voltage Stabilization: Properly grounded engine blocks and chassis ensure that all electronic modules receive a clean, stable return path for electricity. Poor grounding can cause "floating grounds," leading to confusing sensor readings, erratic transmission shifting, and heavy electrical load issues.
      You must be registered for see images attach
      Reddit·r/MechanicAdvice +2
    • Heat Dissipation: The woven nature of the strap promotes better heat dissipation compared to enclosed, insulated wiring. This is vital near hot engine blocks, exhaust manifolds, or high-draw systems like the starter motor.
      You must be registered for see images attach
      Falconer Electronics +2
    • High Conductivity: Often made of bare or tinned copper, these uninsulated straps provide a direct, low-resistance path for the heavy electrical currents required to operate high-draw equipment and safeguard sensitive computer systems.
      You must be registered for see images attach
      Falconer Electronics +1
I've said multiple times, used to be only cars with a factory radio got the braided ground strap from the engine to the firewall. No radio cars didn't get that ground. Now it makes more sense.
 

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The braided design offers several key advantages for automotive applications:
    • High-Frequency Interference (RFI) Reduction: Electrical components, such as the ignition system, continuously generate radio-frequency noise. Braided straps excel at absorbing and suppressing this electromagnetic interference (EMI) because high-frequency currents travel on the outer surface of a wire (known as the "skin effect"). The flat, braided surface provides a much larger overall area than a standard round wire, which helps safely dissipate this noise and prevents static over the car's speakers.
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Danger: Geek out ahead...

One's gotta be careful with the Interwebs. The gist of this point is completely correct, it's just that the details are woefully lacking in correctivity. A big pet peeve for me is incorrect language when explaining electricity, since so many people have such a minimal actual understanding of its physics or its application. Every time something is read that is worded badly, true understanding is diminished.

The EMI mentioned in that quote is everywhere in our rides. Spark plugs, points, generator/alternator and motor brushes, switches, relays... All of those devices produce sparks. The sparks themselves, and the phenomena that produce sparks also induce EMI.

EMI = Electro-Magnetic Interference
RFI = Radio Frequency Interference
RFI is a subset of EMI. Think - all thumbs are fingers, but not all fingers are thumbs.
One needs to have a basic understanding of electrical circuits for the following to mean anything.

Braided straps do not "absorb" or "suppress" high frequency EMI. The result of their behavior in the face of EMI might be "suppression", but to say that they perform suppression is overstating the reality. Instead, they present a good low impedance path back to the voltage source - the battery. Skin effect is the big reason. Skin effect has zero to do with the cross sectional shape of the flat strap vs a round conventional cable. It is the tiny strands of the braided strap vs the comparatively large strands of the cable that matter here. Skin effect acts relative to the individual strands rather than the complete bulk to the cable assy. For a given total cross sectional area of a stranded wire, the more smaller individual strands used to make up that total wire size, the greater the total individual conductor surface area. Skin effect causes the current to flow more toward the outer surface and less to the center of an individual strand of conductor with increasing frequency. The more current you push through a given cross section of conductor, the more impedance you encounter. The more strands you give the cable, the more conductor surface area you get for that current. The more surface area, the lower the impedance, the lower the impedance the less impact the high frequency noise has on the rest of the system.

The example of the benefits of low impedance in the face of EMI are capacitors. Capacitors are used to quiet noise in your stereo because a capacitor presents low impedance to high frequency signals. If you place a cap right at a noise generator - e.g., right at your alternator - you present an easy path to ground for that noise - before it goes throughout the rest of the electrical system. If you place it at the stereo, you give a low impedance shunt to ground for that noise just before it enters the stereo. Quieting it at the source is better than waiting to get it at the point of use, but both are valuable.

All of this goes to the reason that properly located appropriate grounds are REQUIRED in today's modern computer controlled autos, and this is why (in a computer controlled ride, or one with a stereo, or one where the factory decided it was needed) straps can't simply be replaced by wires.

End of pet peeve rant.
 

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One's gotta be careful with the Interwebs. The gist of this point is completely correct, it's just that the details are woefully lacking in correctivity. A big pet peeve for me is incorrect language when explaining electricity, since so many people have such a minimal actual understanding of its physics or its application. Every time something is read that is worded badly, true understanding is diminished.

The EMI mentioned in that quote is everywhere in our rides. Spark plugs, points, generator/alternator and motor brushes, switches, relays... All of those devices produce sparks. The sparks themselves, and the phenomena that produce sparks also induce EMI.

EMI = Electro-Magnetic Interference
RFI = Radio Frequency Interference
RFI is a subset of EMI. Think - all thumbs are fingers, but not all fingers are thumbs.
One needs to have a basic understanding of electrical circuits for the following to mean anything.

Braided straps do not "absorb" or "suppress" high frequency EMI. The result of their behavior in the face of EMI might be "suppression", but to say that they perform suppression is overstating the reality. Instead, they present a good low impedance path back to the voltage source - the battery. Skin effect is the big reason. Skin effect has zero to do with the cross sectional shape of the flat strap vs a round conventional cable. It is the tiny strands of the braided strap vs the comparatively large strands of the cable that matter here. Skin effect acts relative to the individual strands rather than the complete bulk to the cable assy. For a given total cross sectional area of a stranded wire, the more smaller individual strands used to make up that total wire size, the greater the total individual conductor surface area. Skin effect causes the current to flow more toward the outer surface and less to the center of an individual strand of conductor with increasing frequency. The more current you push through a given cross section of conductor, the more impedance you encounter. The more strands you give the cable, the more conductor surface area you get for that current. The more surface area, the lower the impedance, the lower the impedance the less impact the high frequency noise has on the rest of the system.

The example of the benefits of low impedance in the face of EMI are capacitors. Capacitors are used to quiet noise in your stereo because a capacitor presents low impedance to high frequency signals. If you place a cap right at a noise generator - e.g., right at your alternator - you present an easy path to ground for that noise - before it goes throughout the rest of the electrical system. If you place it at the stereo, you give a low impedance shunt to ground for that noise just before it enters the stereo. Quieting it at the source is better than waiting to get it at the point of use, but both are valuable.

All of this goes to the reason that properly located appropriate grounds are REQUIRED in today's modern computer controlled autos, and this is why (in a computer controlled ride, or one with a stereo, or one where the factory decided it was needed) straps can't simply be replaced by wires.

End of pet peeve rant.
Which is why I always use stranded OFC wire in my stereo and electrical system upgrades.
 

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IIRC, I think the braided ground from my frame to truck bed was up under the truck near one of the gas tanks. Hard to see and very exposed to road dirt and rust.
 

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Danger: Geek out ahead...

One's gotta be careful with the Interwebs. The gist of this point is completely correct, it's just that the details are woefully lacking in correctivity.
Geek, Ha... far from that. If you didn't read all the posts you missed the only reason I posted AI info.

Braided ground strap is for heat dissipation. That reason and that reason only. RF radio interference is caused by things like, spark plugs, plug wires, coils and alternators to name a few. A braided ground strap does nothing to limit that.

Since we are still talking ground straps, here is the 50 cent question. Why did many older trucks come with a braided ground negative battery cable? I might be able to scrape up another prize for the first correct answer!
Since that question failed, I have another one for the kids. What is point dwell?

Extra credit: What is used to in a engine to get rid of radio interference?
 

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The length of time the points are closed??? Old time capacitors on the coil?????.......thinking of my 56 Chevy 210..........Oh, sorry I'm NOT a kid ;)
 

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Geek, Ha... far from that. If you didn't read all the posts you missed the only reason I posted AI info.

Braided ground strap is for heat dissipation. That reason and that reason only. RF radio interference is caused by things like, spark plugs, plug wires, coils and alternators to name a few. A braided ground strap does nothing to limit that.


Since that question failed, I have another one for the kids. What is point dwell?

Extra credit: What is used to in a engine to get rid of radio interference?
30 degrees and...we installed these back in the day
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The length of time the points are closed??? Old time capacitors on the coil?????.......thinking of my 56 Chevy 210..........Oh, sorry I'm NOT a kid ;)
a rotational thing...
 

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from what I understand, point dwell is the measurement of how long the points stay closed between opening....increasing the gap can slightly decrease the dwell and vice versa. The condensor (which is effectively a capacitor) was put in with the points to reduce the radio interference.
 

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from what I understand, point dwell is the measurement of how long the points stay closed between opening....increasing the gap can slightly decrease the dwell and vice versa. The condensor (which is effectively a capacitor) was put in with the points to reduce the radio interference.
The condenser helps reduce the arc caused when the points open. Resistor spark plugs and resistor plug wires reduce radio interference.

Oh, sorry I'm NOT a kid ;)
Yeah, you and me both!

More useless info, When ever you have a flow of electrons, they create a magnetic field. When ever you have a magnetic field, you have the potential to have a flow of electrons.
 

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