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I'm in the research stage of replacing my 305 with a 350 into a '85 C-10.
I would like to be around 350 hp & 350 tq. Any thoughts on the GM 350 crate engine # 10067353 and replace the heads with a set of vortec heads. (polished) Or should I replace the cam also? Does anyone have any experience replacing the heads for vortec heads on this crate engine only?
 

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I'm in the research stage of replacing my 305 with a 350 into a '85 C-10.

I would like to be around 350 hp & 350 tq. Any thoughts on the GM 350 crate engine # 10067353 and replace the heads with a set of vortec heads. (polished) Or should I replace the cam also? Does anyone have any experience replacing the heads for vortec heads on this crate engine only?


It doesn't matter to some people, but you get a nice warranty with those crates, and your going to void it as soon as you swap cams or heads.

I just bought that same motor this week and got it on the engine stand last night. It will be next week before I can comment on how it runs, but I opted to leave it stock and keep my warranty. Supposedly, you can add a good intake, a fine tuned carb, and a set of headers to that block and pull 260hp out of it, but I can't vouch for that yet.


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It doesn't matter to some people, but you get a nice warranty with those crates, and your going to void it as soon as you swap cams or heads.

I just bought that same motor this week and got it on the engine stand last night. It will be next week before I can comment on how it runs, but I opted to leave it stock and keep my warranty. Supposedly, you can add a good intake, a fine tuned carb, and a set of headers to that block and pull 260hp out of it, but I can't vouch for that yet.

And it's got nice torque numbers.

The first upgrade, as Skweegle says, is a good intake, a finely tuned carb, and a set of headers. That doesn't void your warranty.

The best performance option you can add at that point is an A/FR meter, to get that carb dialed in.

Second upgrade is to replace the cam with a 12-235-2, 12-300-4, or similar cam. You are looking at 275 to 290 hp, and north of 400 lbft of torque at that point. This voids your warranty.

Third upgrade is to replace the heads and cam both. A set of Dart aluminum heads, and a 12-238-2 cam for example, will get you close to 400 hp while retaining 400+ lbft of torque. Vortec heads is another option, but probably does not net you what the Dart heads do, but they are much cheaper. This also voids your warranty.

For me, the cam upgrade is enough, because the horsepower numbers are not what you drive. Horsepower is measured at or near the redline. The torque numbers are more important, and getting that torque peaking in the 2500 rpm range is what makes for a good driver.

Tom Wellborn sold a whole bunch of cars from the Wellborn Museum at Mecum Kissimmee last week. Hemis, LS-6s, you name it. He said the quickest car he had was the Buick GS 455 Stage 1. Only 360 hp (where the hemi is 425 and the LS-6 is north of 450), but it has 510 lbft of torque at 2500 rpm. It was the quickest thing on the street back in the day, and you quickly learned not to mess with those guys no matter what you had. I know, I was there.

So the cam upgrade is pretty easy before the engine goes in, it is cheap because on a new *never-run* engine you don't even have to change the lifters and springs, and you get great torque where you use it. It won't wind as tight as some other setups, so horsepower numbers won't be as high, but that's not what you drive unless your daily commute is on a circle track.
 

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Rich,
Would you use 64cc or 72cc chamber?
Thanks for your info. Aden
 

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On the Dart heads.
 

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Dart # 127121, assembled, 64 cc, 180 cc runners. About $1100 a pair. Amazon, JEGS, Summit....

With a 12-238-2 Comp cam, you're looking at 400 hp at 5500 and 430 lbft from 2500 to about 5000. That will turn your truck into a land missile.

You might want to PM this guy for more info, because he's running this build, or close to it.
http://forum.73-87chevytrucks.com/smforum/index.php?topic=27183.msg226214#msg226214

One note as you build. Stay away from parts intended for race use, like competition heads, competition distributors, etc. These have an intended use, and it isn't for on the street. As an example, a race distributor has no vacuum advance, which makes it suck for street use. Racers don't want it because 1) running WOT all the time they don't need it and 2) it's just another thing to break. But on the street, you really want it.

Note that if you do this 400hp/430lbft build, you probably need a purpose-built tranny to deliver that power. A factory-stock TH350 isn't gonna survive.
 

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Most likely I'll use the 12-235-2 cam only. And i'll replace or rebuild the th350C. (700r4)
I'll use a Eldelbrock intake with a 600-650 carb, should be plenty.
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Why would you not just find a $100 block and rebuild it? Or just buy a short block? You going to spend $1600 on a motor and only use half the parts that comes with it.


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You will also want to run a qjet on it when your done. No since in spending all that money and hindering performance with an inferior carb.


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Zach,
For the money I'm only gonna swap out the cam.

I don't think you could build a 350 for this cost. I'm thinking it will be more.
 

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Zach,
For the money I'm only gonna swap out the cam.

I don't think you could build a 350 for this cost. I'm thinking it will be more.

It depends on your resources I guess. I was in the same boat as you and that's why I opted for a crate. Didn't have the resources to rebuild for under $1500. I didn't see your last post in response to Rich and thought you were looking at throwing Dart heads on it and that baffled me. Good luck with whichever direction you decide to go.
 

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The benefit of starting with a crate engine is that you get a completely clean block, clean passages and all, and a totally new lower end. Heads too if you only swap out the cam.

I have the 12-300-4 in a completely stock (otherwise) engine, and I like it a lot. A number of people on this and other forums have swapped in the 12-235-2 and like it as well.

The most a normally aspirated 350 can pump is 500 cfm. A 600-650 cfm carb is plenty.

Agreed on the Qjet. I am running the Edelbrock 1406, but it was new on the truck when I got it.
 

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There is a local machine shop in my town & i will be inquiring to see what the cost is to have a 350 done to my specs. But by swapping in this cam the GM crate engine will have what I am looking for, which was 350 HP & 350 to. Funds are limited & the th350 trans. needs to be rebuilt. Plus the rear will have to be done. Along with exhaust. I was looking for a little pep for some fun. Thanks again for the helpful info. Aden
 

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Oh & the 305 is running the Qjet. This may be rebuilt & used. Depending on a rebuilder or my time if I'm doing it.
 

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