Replacing a single frame rail, can it be done?

[Bennyt]

speaking of that.. did you mean the one in my photo set i sent?

Yes. That x-member is heavy.

 

[AuroraGirl]

Good info, thanks. About how much did that bare frame weight when it was broken down? Here is a picture of mine, with the rail to be removed highlighted. Im keeping the crossmembers intact on the rail I plan to keep hoping that keeps some degree of perpendicularity. I started making some comparative measurements between the 2 frames and I'm seeing a 3/16" difference center to center on the mid crossmember rivets.

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is the extent of the frame rot on this donor frame(or is this your one youre using) the center area where it dips down under the cab and bed on driver side?

 

[AuroraGirl]

Yes. That x-member is heavy.

I did think about that when i was looking at it one day, compared to the rotting out mounts for my k25 1980 which had a one piece driveshaft

but if it had been there 99% likely it would have been bent to crap by neglect and being old and the mount would have blew up or something lol

 

[Edelbrock]

Good info, thanks. About how much did that bare frame weight when it was broken down? Here is a picture of mine, with the rail to be removed highlighted. Im keeping the crossmembers intact on the rail I plan to keep hoping that keeps some degree of perpendicularity. I started making some comparative measurements between the 2 frames and I'm seeing a 3/16" difference center to center on the mid crossmember rivets.

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Could I see some pics of the un-repairable rusted areas?

 

[Grit dog]

Welcome to NC. It's because of this guy that the rest of us with out-of-state pre '81 vehicles have to suffer
https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/state-dmv-commissioner-resigns/83-402410376

I don’t get it. Some minor bullshizzle from 18 years ago. Are you saying that because of that, now if you go for a classic car plates in NC, they inspect that every available identifier must be numbers matching or at least old enough to be a classic car?
And that the dmv inspects the frame?
GFG…. (Good fckin grief)

 

[Grit dog]

Kansas has been out of state sales to Kansas residents had to have a VIN verification for at least the last 40 years, and sometimes on antique registrations. Also antique registrations have to be original vehicles,no LS swaps,no mag wheels,etc. It sucks when you buy a truck from MO. that's already been messed with and you have to hunt down original wheels etc. to register it.

Yeah….what in the Bible Belt is up with Kansas? That’s crazy.
Here in Libtardistan they don’t even care. Curiously enough, even, there are NO VIN checks whatsoever.

 

[AuroraGirl]

I don’t get it. Some minor bullshizzle from 18 years ago. Are you saying that because of that, now if you go for a classic car plates in NC, they inspect that every available identifier must be numbers matching or at least old enough to be a classic car?
And that the dmv inspects the frame?
GFG…. (Good fckin grief)

talk about needing a hobby

Yeah….what in the Bible Belt is up with Kansas? That’s crazy.
Here in Libtardistan they don’t even care. Curiously enough, even, there are NO VIN checks whatsoever.

no vin checks but they probably include a provision buried in a paper that you consent to have your crap vandalized to confirm compliance at the discretion of state police

 

[Grit dog]

^I don’t understand that…

 

[AuroraGirl]

^I don’t understand that…

youre overthinking it
Its a joke

About Libtardistan
That they would not care to look at the vin to plate it, but would sneak a clause into boilerplate on dmv papers to allow them to ransack your vehicle at any time for any reason to ensure compliance.

 

[Strick]

Either way, it's a candidate for an LS swap. OP might want to start calling random businesses' all over the country for quotes....

Nothing to get your "axle" wrapped about, @SquareRoot.
That's funny there...

 

[Ricko1966]

Yeah….what in the Bible Belt is up with Kansas? That’s crazy.
Here in Libtardistan they don’t even care. Curiously enough, even, there are NO VIN checks whatsoever.

Well I've seen quotes on Kansas web sites about how much it curbs auto theft. And even though it can be a PITA I can see the good in it. Somebody in a state with no VIN inspection could steal your truck and buy a 500.00 beater truck,sell your truck with the 500.00 beater title and you are out of a truck and someone is legally or anyway they think are legally driving a nice truck they bought for a good deal out of state. But if they brought your truck to Kansas and went to register it,red flag,out of state title so it gets a VIN check,your truck gets recovered. Or you go to register an antique you just restored,,except you are shady,it's really built out of a stolen truck. Red flagyour antique got VIN checked. I'm sure no one thinks it's a problem but how many people on here are so worried their truck is going to get stolen. All states should have a system like Kansas to help protect your truck. They even check the engine number, and if they check your stuff and nothing on it with numbers is reported stolen,you have no problem. That Corvette that got so much attention,well who knows with media and internet being what it is but supposedly something that was left out of that story was VIN plate and Frame number didn't match,it wasn't just the rivets,that was just the tip off. Changing a frame isn't a problem in Kansas,BUT it has to be documented. Kansas runs the numbers nation wide through nmvtis. And yes people could still steal a truck and part it,but that involves too many people,too many transactions,and too tracable to a physical location. Not like selling a whole truck to an unsuspecting person on the internet,meeting them some where to test drive it exchange cash and bogus title in a safe location. 1 sale full price.

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[edgephoto]

Here in CT they do VIN verifications. They look at title or registration and compare to windshield VIN and door VIN. I have been in the car business here for 40 years. Sold many vehicles through my own dealership. Paid for many VIN verifications. Never once did the inspector look anywhere but the windshield and the door jamb for VIN.

On these old trucks the VIN is on top of the right frame rail. With rust, how can you even read it, let alone with the body mounted?

 

[Ricko1966]

They've checked several of my cars,I fully expect them to check my 75K. The first car I remember them lifting up and checking was my dad's 1966 eldorado that was while I was in high school so 1982 or prior. This may explain some of it,maybe they aren't looking for the same numbers we are looking at. I thinknI still have a filled out by KHP inspection form,verifying all 3 numbers. I'll find it and post it sometime.Matter of fact I think I have more than one.

 

[Ricko1966]

Found this on another forumn. I've been through.
this more than once,but no one wants to believe it,so here you go I have no idea who this guy is but same deal 99 people telling him they only care about the dash VIN but he was telling them he had to have all three numbers. I have no idea what they do if they can't find the number,maybe they pretend they did and write down what it should be. Maybe they have a procedure or exemption,I have no idea. I just know what Kansas Law states,and what they've made me do.To those that say it never happens,it hasnt happened to you is all. I've never had aids,lyme disease,had a car stereo stolen,etc. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen

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[edgephoto]

Interesting that they go that deep for a VIN check. How do they find the frame vin when there is rust?

Do they do this if you have a title and it was registered previously in Kansas?

In my state VIN verifications are done when registering a car from out of state, regardless of the vehicle age or if you are just moving into the state and are transferring a reg.

I am not sure what they are going to do when I finally register my truck. It was my Dad's. He gave it to my brother and I when we owned the dealership, so we ran it on dealer plates for years. The title is lost and my Dad is passed. Should be fun. Truck is a 1987 and it hasn't been registered since about 1992.