Replacing a single frame rail, can it be done?

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Interesting that they go that deep for a VIN check. How do they find the frame vin when there is rust?

Do they do this if you have a title and it was registered previously in Kansas?

In my state VIN verifications are done when registering a car from out of state, regardless of the vehicle age or if you are just moving into the state and are transferring a reg.

I am not sure what they are going to do when I finally register my truck. It was my Dad's. He gave it to my brother and I when we owned the dealership, so we ran it on dealer plates for years. The title is lost and my Dad is passed. Should be fun. Truck is a 1987 and it hasn't been registered since about 1992.
If it was previously registered in Kansas and sold with a Kansas title filled out correctly,it's easy easy no one looks at anything. If it's out of state,an Antique sold with a bill of sale,a non highway title from any state including Kansas,a salvage title,an assembled vehicle title and maybe others,then they check for 3 numbers. Some easy checks done at the county DMV. Others are harder and you have to make an appointment at certain Kansas facilities,that's why my 75 hasn't been done,I have to trailer it 60 miles from here to get it inspected.
 

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Washington state used to do VIN inspections on out of state vehicles, generally not now. Still do home built [trailer], rebuilds, non-titled registration in cases of a lost title and inspections for abandoned vehicles at tow yards. Reason, Washington got sued and lost because they missed a swapped VIN on a very expensive vehicle.

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process to get a title without one requires a state VIN inspection, vehicle needs to be complete [doesn't have to run] apply for a registration and wait 3 years. That's the statute of limitations on vehicle titles in this state.

Any time during the 3 year period, with proof of ownership a previous owner can claim the vehicle without payment. I did this procedure on a Kawasaki triple. Waited 3 years before tossing any money at it because it's possible to loose it.
 
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In Ga if you buy something out of state and/or without a title, you have to fill out a T-22 form. Can be done ahead of time or right there at the DMV, they call an officer to come inspect (or can set up an appointment to go to the vehicle if the vehicle isn't/can't be there), they check the VIN (and title if there is one) and run the VIN here in Ga as well as whatever state you got it from to make sure it isn't stolen or some other issue. If that all checks out, they finish the form for you, hand it back and you take it back to the counter at the DMV. They process and do the registration. Sometimes they'll even issue a new title if possible. This is exactly what I did for my '85 and I got a Ga title for it when it was done.
 

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I too would still like to see some pics of the "un-repairable" rusted areas!
You guys are sick, but I must oblige
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Looks a little rough. Cant see much in that pic, but what about reinforcing the frame?

Bolt and then weld on larger, longer, heavier duty versions of something like this:
 

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Thanks for the pic! That's a NC truck? I'm in Charlotte and don't typically find frames in that bad of shape - bodies, sure, but not the frames.
 

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While I'm thinking of it - additional detail on how the frames were received and assembled might be helpful.

I should mention that frames were received completely disassembled, that is, individual frame side rails, all the various crossmembers, brackets, rivets, etc were all received loose at the vehicle assembly plant.

The individual rails were placed on a mechanical "pedestal", which fixtured the assembly and moved forward at the designated line rate (70 jobs per hour, in the case of Flint Assembly, in order to support a "Final Line" rate of 60 jobs per hour). Crossmembers were sub assembled off line, allowing the operator of that job to work at his own pace (as long as he could support the line rate). In fact, usually, that particular guy would work like crazy for the first half of the day, building up a huge reserve of parts (normally he was totally engulfed in a sea of black hardware, so that you couldn't even see him back there!), so that he could "coast" the second half of the day, merely having to hang the fully assembled specific crossmember on the feeder overhead conveyor in the correct sequence.

Frames were assembled upside down at this point, so that once the basic "ladder" was formed the individual brackets could be added, then allowing the front and rear suspensions to be set into position. The 2wd front suspension was usually received mostly assembled (that is, the main crossmember, control arms, rotors and brakes already assembled). Rear suspensions were built up in job position, by adding leaf springs and then the rear axle (4wd front suspensions were done similarly). The rear axle was provided via a separate feeder line, having been built up (taking the completed axle housing with gearset and brakes already assembled from the supplier) and adding brake lines, park brake apparatus and shocks, all done in a remote area of the plant. The front suspension unit and drive shaft were provided on this same separate feeder line.

After the front and rear suspensions were in place and torqued the frame was "flipped" into vehicle position using a chain hoist (you'd want to give that operation some space, because the frames dance around a bit once they flip over!). The frames remain in this upright position, suspended from chains, through the rest of the process until the tires were installed immediately before body drop.

I would also add that the brake system was completely assembled and functional during this phase. The brake master cylinder was "slaved", or fixtured, in an approximate vehicle position. An "Evac and Fill"system was used to bleed the brakes, whereby all of the air was sucked out of the completed system and brake fluid allowed to flow into the evacuated space (bleeding, as we are familiar with it, was not required other than in a repair situation). The brakes were then pressure tested for force and displacement, using a small tester attached to the master cylinder, and then stamped as "OK" once the vehicle passed the test.

The engine and transmission (as a unit) were installed in the frame, as well as the radiator/radiator support and cooling system, somewhere along here.

Lastly, immediately before body drop the frame passed through a small spraybooth where the chassis black was applied. In my previous post I consciously avoided the word "paint", because this stuff was not really much of a paint (more like undercoating) and I also chose the word "drizzled" on purpose, because it wasn't really sprayed like you would paint a car, but more hosed casually over the areas that could be easily reached (front control arms, down the side, half the drive shaft, parts of the rear axle, etc).

At this point the tires were installed (that's a whole nuther story) and the completed chassis was placed on the Final Line "flat track", ready to receive the cab and box.

There are pictures of some of these processes, and can be viewed here:

http://www.73-87.com/7387info/Assembly Line.htm

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Lastly - the assembly plant repair for a missing or miss hit rivet was a 3/8" grade 8 bolt with corresponding washers and nut.

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