TH400 build

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For whatever reason, HydraMatic went thru the time and effort to create a die to cast a case with thicker pan rails and the extra webbing around the extension housing. They must have felt the benefits were worth the investment.

Around here, I can buy 3 BOP cores for the cost of a good Chevy case. It just makes sense to cut up the cheaper case.

The last broken bellhousings I can recall was the result of a broken driveshaft. I’m enjoying the popularity of the no-prep racing, those guys keep me pretty busy!!
 

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I've seen a lot of tail housings broken from driveshafts can't say I've seen one break a bell that must have been spectacularly catastrophic. Last bell I saw break was from the engine trying to climb out over the fender when the mounts let go.

I don't work on as many as I used too after moving up here especially with Rossler at the end of my street.
 
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I've seen a lot of tail housings broken from driveshafts can't say I've seen one break a bell that must have been spectacularly catastrophic.
It happens. It is.

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Long sidebar about the above:

1 - That happened in Columbus. Two years in a row I destroyed something and was parked in that same pit spot.

I said to my buddy "man - I don't know what I'm going to do" and he replied "well - I'd start by parking somewhere else!".

2 -

I knew I was in trouble when the car kept slowing and slowing each pass, and when I returned to the pit and it left a trail of fluid. A quick check revealed it to be trans fluid, and a visual inspection from underneath revealed the big crack in the bellhousing that you can see in the picture.

I was pretty dejected, because it was our series "World Finals" in Columbus. My buddy, and engine builder - Scott - said "hey....why don't you just throw my spare trans in*. It's a TH400, so it should work...".

* - He carried that spare transmission around in the back of his truck (now my truck) everywhere he went - lol! He helped me move houses and there was that TH400 in the bed of the truck.

Knowing that these things always uncover some detail that ends up biting you in the (rear) end, I thought about it for a while. Finally, I said "Scott - is there any possible way this could not work?"

He said "How could it not work? It's a TH400, same as yours. Same length, same splines - everything's the same".

I said ok and we decided we would eat supper first and then tear into it.

So after eating I popped the car up in the air, and he and I had the trans out on the ground and the new trans installed in about 45 minutes. At that point it was time to slip the driveshaft back in and.....it wouldn't go. It was like the shaft was too long to clear the pinion flange on the rear axle. I couldn't get it pushed in far enough to get it to swing up into place. We horsed around jacking the car up and down, moving the rear axle up and down, even tried taking the bearing caps off the u joint - no luck.

So - now we're back where we started. I thought about it for a while and I said "you know, I have another shaft back at the house (in the Detroit area - about 5 hours away). It's a little shorter. I could call my wife, have her bring it - I could meet her halfway and we could visit and then I could bring it back from there".

So I did. I called my wife, walked her through finding this other drive shaft in the garage, and she drove down. We met in a rest area off I-75 in Bowling Green Ohio, had coffee, exchanged the driveshaft and each went back on our way. By the time I got back it was late Friday night/early Saturday morning.

Saturday morning I got up early, slipped the shaft in (it went right in!) and topped off the fluids. I fired the car and drove it around a bit, even going down to the end of the track to do a little burnout and a part throttle blast. Everything seemed to be in order.

When the time came, I went up for my first practice run. Did the burnout, it seemed fine. Staged the car, the lights came down, I nailed the throttle and.....blah.....the car was a total dog. Just kind of motored out off the line. I shifted into second and it picked up; I shifted into third and WHOA NELLY the engine free revved and I got off the throttle right away. What the heck?! I tried it another time or two on the return road and the same thing happened.

I got back to the pit area and said "Scott, I think your trans is broke....it's got no high gear". He said "well, that can't be right. It's a fresh rebuild, and we dyno tested it before I brought it home".

We sat down and thought about it for a little while. Finally, I jumped up and said "I know what the problem is!"

My car runs a "Full manual" valvebody, which means the car only shifts when you move the lever. If you put the shifter in 2nd, the car starts out in second. If you put the shifter in 3rd, the car starts out in third. Same with Scott's. But - my car runs the "standard" shift pattern (PRNDSL), Scott's car runs a "reverse" pattern (PRNLSD).

I had unwittingly started the car out in third gear, shifted to second, and then to first.

The burnout was ok because I always do the burnout in second gear.

I figured well, that's ok. I can just move my shifter intentionally in the wrong direction and still drive the car. I just thought it was funny because we so thought we had psyched every angle out.

In the end, it was a moot point. While waiting between rounds I decided to change the engine oil. After draining it I noticed it was full of bearing material and metal shavings, so I quit at that point (I know when I'm licked). Subsequent investigation revealed a spun rear main bearing and damaged block, which resulted in an entirely new engine, which is another story for another day.

At least it wasn't raining…
 

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No news. Ordered a few more parts, did some cleaning and inspection. No real surprises.
 

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No news. Ordered a few more parts, did some cleaning and inspection. No real surprises.
Have you ordered but not yet received a shipping notice, anything from CK Performance?
 

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Have you ordered but not yet received a shipping notice, anything from CK Performance?
No. I was going to, but I spoke to his daughter just after he passed. Sourcing stuff from others.
 

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No. I was going to, but I spoke to his daughter just after he passed. Sourcing stuff from others.
Extreme Automatics also sells similar parts, good quality; Chris and Steve are great to work with, if you haven't already contacted them.
 

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Already got a roller Sonnax forward clutch hub, 4L80 intermediate clutch backing plate, thick snap ring from a 747, and now a 4L80 drum from Beast.
Glad to see it made it. I also sent all those selective washers/shims because I remember when I was doing my first build, they were the one thing that held me up after first assembly, and trying to get my fwd/rear end-plays perfect.
 
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Drilled the pump cover to match the stator and case.
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Got an amazon holder and welded some scrap to one of the engine stands for an extra spot to mount it.
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Got the case final trim and fit done.
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Oh yeah. Forgot that I did this too.
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Shop copies so I don't jack up the originals with greasy hands.
 

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Finished up the case mods. FTI case saver, drilled a passage in the case for the valve body on the way, plugged the kickdown solenoid plug hole, drilled and tapped the vent hole for an AN fitting, put a new gear on the governor, ordered some more parts from BTE. Trans should be going back together soon.
 

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Fun build, bummer to hear about Chris, I've also sourced many parts from him over the years.
 

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Got the parts I ordered from BTE. I asked if the master rebuild kit came with all the bushings. I was told yes. That apparently means just input and output bushings. Oh well. Whatever It Takes Transmission Parts has recently expanded their warehouse here in the Phoenix Valley. Got the rest of the bushings including a Sonnax rear anti-walk, new Koyo torringtons, and ordered some extra springs to have on hand.

With the BTE kit, and the extra clutches/steels I ordered, I got the drum that I got from @Beast496 stacked and checked for clearance. I think it must've been a loose fit 5 clutch drum. I was able to get .045" clearance with an OEM TH400 aluminum piston and a single thin steel with 6 frictions.

Truck bolt-on yoke output shaft has had the o-ring groove machined off.

Put all new bushings in the pump and checked for flatness and gear clearance. Everything was perfect. Reassembled and dropped into the case for a photo op.

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