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The heavy duty front end is enumerated on the build sheet (F60 Heavy Duty Front Spring). I imagine that it is basically a mid 80's version of a snow plow prep package or something which lines up with my trucks original build because it also came with UA1, Dual Batteries. We have several squares on the farm. The only one with similar front end is one of the K20 that we have (with an actual plow on it). I expect F60 is basically a 3/4 ton front end set up on a 1/2 ton. Makes the short bed ride like a fork lift.

Without a measuring tape, I would say the blazer and a short bed are probably the same frame, but someone on here will confirm or correct me on that I'm sure.
 

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Holy crap. Anything I tow or haul with, I run max pressure in the rear and substantially less in the front. Normally 50F and 80R. The big exception would be my old crew cab dually has bias plies with a max psi of 50, so I run 50 all around.

Ain't no way I'd ever be comfortable with only 30 in the rear, especially if it's SRW.
I should have been clearer in that I’m talking empty truck bed and the Cummins is on 37s.
Many people don’t understand safe minimum load vs tire pressure.
But if you look at the attached chart (same for virtually every brand/model of tire as load cap is a function of tire size/sidewall height/width and of course pressure, until you reach max capacity of course) you’ll see that the pressures I posted for the tires I have on those vehicles, the allowable load is greater than the vehicle weight per tire.
Unless I’m looking for (a placebo of) better mpgs or increased load or some other viable reason for running higher than min required pressure, like say high speed driving in winding roads, there is nothing wrong with the pressures I posted. Also of course if hauling a load or needing greater sidewall stability for towing a trailer that could toss the truck around a bit.
Of course the nannies (TPMS) in light duty trucks now would have the uninformed believing they need to run way higher than necessary pressure for the weight. But that’s mostly for idiot proofing in the name of corporate liability. Thanks Ford and your Exploders exploding Firestones for this….
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The only one with similar front end is one of the K20
So from 1973-1980 the Dana 44 front axle was used on both K10 and K20 trucks, 1977 was also when the corporate 10 bolt front axle began its run, used in both K10 and K20 trucks, so they overlapped (10 bolt and D44) for a few years. @bucket and others can likely rattle off the specific differences between 1/2 and 3/4 ton units. The actual differentials for the respective axle (D44 or 10B) are the same between 1/2 and 3/4 ton.

Now K30s 1977-91 got a Dana 60 front axle. But 10-20 series shared the same D44 or 10 bolt.

A blazer is 106.5” wheel base and 184.5” OAL.
A SWB pickup is 117.5” wheelbase and 190.75” OAL.
 

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Holy crap. Anything I tow or haul with, I run max pressure in the rear and substantially less in the front. Normally 50F and 80R. The big exception would be my old crew cab dually has bias plies with a max psi of 50, so I run 50 all around.

Ain't no way I'd ever be comfortable with only 30 in the rear, especially if it's SRW.
I’ll add that of course if either truck had stock size pizza cutters on them, those low pressures suitable for the big tires would not apply.
Example, my F1shitty work truck, CC 4wd, stock little tires, summer I run about 45/35 cold. And of course half tons, the TPmS idiot light doesn’t start going off until down to 25psi.

Yet somehow my son’s 2017 Ram 1500 tradesman, CC 4wd Hemi, with the basic trailer package (no OE brake controller ) and even saddled with the last of the old 6speed automatic transmissions came with load range E tires and the TPMS is set way higher. It’s impossible to drive with the right pressure and not be well under the min pressure threshold to kick the idiot light on. That’s an odd thing that I’ve not seen since back in the day when Frod had that run of the heavy duty F150s that came with E load tires, after they ditched the weird light duty 7 lug “F250”s.
 

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I should have been clearer in that I’m talking empty truck bed and the Cummins is on 37s.
Many people don’t understand safe minimum load vs tire pressure.
But if you look at the attached chart (same for virtually every brand/model of tire as load cap is a function of tire size/sidewall height/width and of course pressure, until you reach max capacity of course) you’ll see that the pressures I posted for the tires I have on those vehicles, the allowable load is greater than the vehicle weight per tire.
Unless I’m looking for (a placebo of) better mpgs or increased load or some other viable reason for running higher than min required pressure, like say high speed driving in winding roads, there is nothing wrong with the pressures I posted. Also of course if hauling a load or needing greater sidewall stability for towing a trailer that could toss the truck around a bit.
Of course the nannies (TPMS) in light duty trucks now would have the uninformed believing they need to run way higher than necessary pressure for the weight. But that’s mostly for idiot proofing in the name of corporate liability. Thanks Ford and your Exploders exploding Firestones for this….
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Load ratings aside, I'd never run the low end of the inflation for several reasons. I don't like a floppy sidewall or the handling characteristics that come with it. Sure, that's going to vary with every tire and size, but I'm not going to leave any additional steering response or stability on the table. Also, less inflation means more contact patch. It doesn't matter what the tire is rated for at any given inflation, more contact patch means two things... more wear from flex against the road surface and also more heat from the flex. Heat buildup will often shorten the life of the tire.

I'll gladly take better handling and longer tire life over a little bit of ride comfort. That and having to inflate the tires all the time for towing would be a big inconvenience.
 

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Ya I dont air em down to where steering handling is affected, but braking is better with a soft tire. As is wet and snow traction. Potato pototo.
 

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I've only ever purchased and installed one 4" lift kit for any of my 4wd K10/K5 trucks. Every time I wanted a lift I've bought 3/4 ton springs from a donor truck out of a junkyard and tossed them into my 1/2 tons. With the heavier springs on the 1/2 ton frame I was easily able to get 35's underneath of it all day long. Just had to make sure that you're getting the right length spring. Plus you're getting springs that'll probably be softer than anything new since they've have some years of use on them.
 

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Well, I met you guys a little bit late in the game...

I ordered the Rough Country 2in lift and now I am returning it. I don't get why anyone sells lifts that can barely handle a speed bump. Isn't the idea to maybe go offroad?

Question:
Tuff Country 12711KN 2" Lift Kit EZ-Ride (all four new leafs) $1,559.07
or
Tuff Country 12710KN 2" Lift Kit EZ-Ride (two front leafs, two spacers) $954.94

I don't care about the cost. Do the TC rear 2in lifted leafs ride okay? Or should I stick with the spacer on the rear?

Thank you, everyone. I swear, if I installed the rough country and it rode as stiff as people are describing, I would likely end up on the local news.
 
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I would suggest going with the Tuff country front springs, then keep your stock rear springs and get an Off Road Design shackle flip for the the rear.

My friends 75 K5 is setup that way and rides nice.
 

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I had ordered a 2" tuff country lift for mine. Finally had to cancel the order over a month later after several delays from them. Wound up with a 2.5" sky jacker. Good luck.
 

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Not to dig in too much on tire pressure, but tires can make a huge difference in ride, and are easier to rough tune than most people think. Tires are designed for a certain contact patch and sidewall give to maximize performance and minimize heat from excessive flex etc. Of course each tire is going to have a different max performance etc, but any given tire and any given load will have an optimal pressure. The max pressure and the max load are the far end of the curve, and the bottom end is pretty close to zero load at zero psi just to have something in mind. If you look at the original tire size, take the front axle weight rating split in two, your front tire pressure will likely be rounded up from the value on the chart (posted earlier, or an example graph below, some of us like pictures more than just numbers). That "Rounded up" is just because tires lose a few pounds much easier than they gain them, which I wish applied to my gut as well. Rear is often the same thing, the max rear axle weight rating split in two and rounded up. Some older 3/4T and 1 ton trucks have an "unloaded" pressure that is an empty bed plus 500lbs of passengers and junk that all of us carry around, then a "loaded" pressure for max capacity. Since new trucks are smart enough to yell at us about tire pressure but not smart enough to know how much crap we are hauling around, they just use the "loaded" pressure. (And these are generally all going to be Cold pressures, they are smart enough to know that tires heat up and gain pressure). Trucks are designed to carry the full load all the time, theoretically, and less people will complain/sue about stiff rides and worn tires than they will blowouts under load that put then in danger.

If you change the tire size on your rig and/or are loading it outside the normal bounds, or even just recognizing that the front end was set up for a plow that you don't actually have, or you always run around with the same load that's somewhere in between, you can weigh your actual truck (4 corners would be great, otherwise weigh each axle), take the actual load as you run it, and probably add a few psi to round up. And of course, everyone will have their own ideal feel, some want more squish and are ok with more wear or sloppier handling, some want more load capacity and cornering sharpness and are ok with jittery rides, and some tires are just going to react different. But overall, using the pressure from the load chart for your tire size and truck weight will give the "optimum" starting point as determined by the tire engineers, for even wear and the best combination of performance all around, and you should tune your tastes to match. Obviously offroad tires aired down for rocks and sand or drag slicks for the track are different animals, this all applies to "street" pressure and typical tires.

Also, as you can see, load E tires basically get their extra capacity from the extra pressure capacity (the load line pretty much continues from the P rated to the higher end of the E rated tire), but when you get lower on HD tires, the stiff sidewalls start to make the curve move. Running 35 psi in the P rated tire below on the front end of a half ton would be massively overkill, since the 4600 lbs of both tires is more than the entire weight of a C10. The chart doesn't go low enough, but 20-something psi is entirely appropriate for that. I had an S10 that was rarely loaded down and so light 2 guys could use it as a wheelbarrow, with wider than stock rims and tires (nothing crazy, but 225/70R14's on 14x7's) that was happiest with something like 16-18 psi front and 20-22 rear (when I did carry stuff) and 12-14 rode great when it was empty. My dad and I both experimented with driving feel, tire wear, and everything to come up with very similar numbers to each other, and when I checked with a load chart (I had to look to find them low enough), they were dead on. But telling anyone I ran pressure in the teens was just asking for an argument, so I just ran it and never discussed it.

Note, some tires have a pretty strict lower pressure limit that has to be adhered to, or you risk pretty bad sidewall damage, but that is mostly in the larger sizes like 19.5's. Big truck tires are pretty well set up for max axle loads, and since not many truckers like to run loads that are lighter than necessary, they can stick with pretty well sidewall max pressure and get along alright. Medium duty trucks can benefit the most from tuning tire pressures, since the loads on drive and steer axles can vary quite a bit on different applications.

Ok, I'll shut up now. Good luck on the replacement springs, I'm interested in how the EZ's and shackle flip work for you...

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