Pinion angle and funky Ubolts

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The truck in question is a 1982 k30 crew cab with 6In of lift.

I've recently been experiencing some vibrations at about 3k + Rpms. The vibrations come on with a pulsation to them. The pulsating vibes directly correspond to an increase in rpm and subsequently decrease as rpm slows. No recognizable vibration at anything below 3K rpm.

The engine is fresh.. maybe 500-1500 miles. The transmission, transfer case, and rear diff are all relatively low miles (more than 500 less than 10,000). I just got done rebuilding the front dana 60, king pins, and hubs a week ago. I was convinced the vibes were coming from something in the front axle as it was in rough condition.... no change.

A few days ago when inspecting the rear axle i noticed something odd. See for your self...

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As you can see the u bolts, saddle and spring are a bit cockeyed... or the axle housing is cockeyed on the springs.

My current theory is that the u bolts were unevenly torqued from the beginning therefore holding the axle housing at an angle or the ubolts were loose and the axle housing and bocks shifted under hard driving conditions ( lots of axle wrap). Regardless of how it happened the axle housing/lift blocks are not resting evenly on the leaf springs causing my pinion angle to be off by a few degrees. And as engine speed increases, the torque increase, the axle wrap increases, and my already incorrect pinion angle increases more and that is what is causing the pulsating vibrations.

Id like to know if my logic is logic-ing. Does my theory sound about right? Obviously ill be replacing the u bolts regardless because what's going on in those pics definitely isn't right.
 

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I'm not following. The blocks are creeping out form under the spring, which is not good. But beyond that, I see no problem.

The angled / tapered blocks should have pins to keep them from moving.
 

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It looks to me like they are not working loose. It looks to me like they missed the center pin altogether during the install on both sides. If you notice, both are the same and the u-bolts appear to be snug.

It needs taken apart to see what's wrong. It looks scary though.

Also, I sense another heated discussion about whether or not blocks are bad coming on.
 

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Do you know how to check pinion angle and what you are looking for? Loosen the clamps up get the blocks back like they should be,and check the pinion angle,if it's good see if the problems gone,if the pinion angle is wrong,post back so we can try to make it right. Yes if the pinion angle and transfer case angle do not match you will get a vibration. Also if the Ujoints are out of phase you will get a vibration. Do you understand Ujoint phase?
 

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It looks to me like they are not working loose. It looks to me like they missed the center pin altogether during the install on both sides. If you notice, both are the same and the u-bolts appear to be snug.

It needs taken apart to see what's wrong. It looks scary though.

Also, I sense another heated discussion about whether or not blocks are bad coming on.
Well those blocks are bad!!! We're all going to die!Stay home everybody.
 

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It looks to me like they missed the center pin altogether during the install on both sides.
That’s what I was thinking, like they missed the center pin hole and have it in the big void of the casting.
 

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I'm not following. The blocks are creeping out form under the spring, which is not good. But beyond that, I see no problem.

The angled / tapered blocks should have pins to keep them from moving.
it never occurred to me the blocks are angled. The current positioning of the angled blocks is pointing the pinion angle to far up and if i switched the blocks the other direction it should correct the pinion angle.
 

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it never occurred to me the blocks are angled. The current positioning of the angled blocks is pointing the pinion angle to far up and if i switched the blocks the other direction it should correct the pinion angle.
All blocks are not tapered,all blocks do have locating pins and holes. Tapered blocks come in different degrees to correct drive line angles but taper is limited,so you need to find out where you are when it's put together correctly. So we can figure our what you need to be where you need to be. I have a suspicion someone installed those blocks wrong to shift the axle position. See the peg and hole arrangement,I don't think someone missed the hole on both blocks accidentally,I think they were trying to center the wheel or cheat the driveshaft length.
 

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Do you know how to check pinion angle and what you are looking for? Loosen the clamps up get the blocks back like they should be,and check the pinion angle,if it's good see if the problems gone,if the pinion angle is wrong,post back so we can try to make it right. Yes if the pinion angle and transfer case angle do not match you will get a vibration. Also if the Ujoints are out of phase you will get a vibration. Do you understand Ujoint phase?
Yes. I have a digital angle gauge. I've measured the drive line angles, pinion, and transfer case. Calculated all the working angles. The pinion angle is the one angle that is funky.... about 10 deg pointing up. If i switched the orientation of these blocks and get them center on the perch it should in theory bring my pinion angle down to about 5 deg which is almost identical to the transfer case angle. The only thing holding me up is sourcing new u bolts.. the current ones are toast.. have to cut em off.

and yes u joints are in phase.
 

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it never occurred to me the blocks are angled. The current positioning of the angled blocks is pointing the pinion angle to far up and if i switched the blocks the other direction it should correct the pinion angle.


Might just need to switch them around. Easy enough with a floor jack and a wrench.
 

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All blocks are not tapered,all blocks do have locating pins and holes. Tapered blocks come in different degrees to correct drive line angles but taper is limited,so you need to find out where you are when it's put together correctly. So we can figure our what you need to be where you need to be. I have a suspicion someone installed those blocks wrong to shift the axle position. See the peg and hole arrangement,I don't think someone missed the hole on both blocks accidentally,I think they were trying to center the wheel or cheat the driveshaft length.
these block are tapered and i calculated they have about a 2.4deg taper
 

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Yes. I have a digital angle gauge. I've measured the drive line angles, pinion, and transfer case. Calculated all the working angles. The pinion angle is the one angle that is funky.... about 10 deg pointing up. If i switched the orientation of these blocks and get them center on the perch it should in theory bring my pinion angle down to about 5 deg which is almost identical to the transfer case angle. The only thing holding me up is sourcing new u bolts.. the current ones are toast.. have to cut em off.

and yes u joints are in phase.
NAH… Those U bolts look like high quality stuff, I’d bet they clean up fine.

If they are jacked up find a spring service shop, they can usually make whatever U bolts you need.
 

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Might just need to switch them around. Easy enough with a floor jack and a wrench.
If only they weren't seized together.. two days of pb blaster prior.. couple hours of off an on blow torch.. some milwaukee 1/2 impact. nuts moved maybe halfway up the threads before stopping again. i decided to grind off the bolts.
 

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NAH… Those U bolts look like high quality stuff, I’d bet they clean up fine.

If they are jacked up find a spring service shop, they can usually make whatever U bolts you need.
I'm gonna call around tomorrow and find some replacements.
 

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I'm gonna call around tomorrow and find some replacements.
Always cheaper online. Call around, find what ya want and collect the part number. Then Google the part number and find it for 40% to 80% less. Many times with next day free delivery.
 

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