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Colby83

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Usually, when you click on a thread with a title this ridiculous, it ends in a few posts max and the last post is never the OP. I don't plan on this one turning into one of those. Anyway, for anyone who isn't familiar, I put a 3-speed (more accurately, two 3-speeds) behind my 6.2 diesel. The more I drove it, the more I got annoyed with the drop from 2nd to 3rd. With my current 3.08 gears, it practically stops accelerating as soon as I shift into 3rd. It slowly lugs its way back up into the power band, and only then does it start accelerating again. Traffic is slowing down, but isn't slow enough to downshift into 2nd? Too bad, your only option is to lug in 3rd until traffic speeds up again. Not fun. I decided enough was enough, so I pulled the 3-speed for good. I wanted 4 true speeds up to direct drive, so that instantly ruled out the SM465 and NV4500. A ZF6 from behind a Duramax or 8.1 could theoretically bolt up, but I don't care for that kind of complexity at all on something I own. I get my fill of modern complexity at work. I considered an NV3500 for a bit, but I concluded that it would be too weak for my eventual 6.5 swap. I also don't find myself wanting OD since I just cruise in the right lane on the highway. The old Muncie 4-speeds are stronger, but I wanted a lower 1st gear (even the wide ratio M20 only had a 2.52 1st gear). This left me with two options: the Ford Toploader and Mopar A833. Since I already have a scattershield that adapts from SBC/BBC to the Ford Toploader bolt pattern and bearing retainer bore (McLeod 8630), the choice was obvious (I originally bought that scattershield in anticipation that I'd eventually swap in a Ford 3.03 HD 3-speed, not because I had even the slightest feeling that a 6.2/6.5 would ever need a blowproof bellhousing :Big Laugh:).

So, I mocked up the scattershield and noticed my high torque starter was too big for the starter cone. The starter hole in the block plate was also too small. All it took was a bit of grinding to get it to fit. The bolt hole I grinded into was useless anyway since my starter would've been in the way. More to come once I get the right pilot bushing and clutch disk.

Cheers,

Colby
 

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Pontiac used ford top loaders for a while, but they called them Dearborn transmissions. GM didn't have anything that would handle the abuse of the Pontiac GTOs. You made a solid choice.
 

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Pontiac used ford top loaders for a while, but they called them Dearborn transmissions. GM didn't have anything that would handle the abuse of the Pontiac GTOs. You made a solid choice.
one of my neighbors (quite old now), was a big truck diesel mechanic, but he use to work at a olds dealer in the late 60s-early 70s,...
brand new 1969 olds comes in for a first oil change,...everything on the car was all dark grey and black except one thing:
the big torque motor was paired to bright orange/red Ford Transmission.
 

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I'm a light duty diesel tech and my service writer happens to have a Firebird project car with a 400 and Dearborn M13. He's swapping the Dearborn out for a 5-speed. Too bad GM only sourced the 3-speeds from Ford. The Dearborn has the GM 1-1/8" 10 spline input shaft so that would've saved me quite a bit of time and effort. I remember reading about it on the Hokey Ass Message Board and apparently the main reason GM insisted on having a 3-speed option behind their big blocks and high torque BOP motors was because insurance was a lot higher on 4-speed cars. The Saginaw 3-speeds weren't holding up, so they used the Ford 3.03 for the M13 HD 3-speed option until they designed the Muncie 330 (which is what I put in my truck before this).
 

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