Cutting hole in floor to replace fuel sender

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Ok might give it a go with a Milwaukee tool with a cutting blade, according to, one of my mechanics Sparks will not ignite fuel. Don’t know if I believe that one.
 

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Ok might give it a go with a Milwaukee tool with a cutting blade, according to, one of my mechanics Sparks will not ignite fuel. Don’t know if I believe that one.

Be careful if you use a sawzall my filler hose was pretty much rubbing on the floor. Theoretically there should be no gas outside of the gas tank to ignite if you use a cut off wheel. That being said I cut mine as quick as a could with a fire extinguisher handy
 

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@assleson looks like you could of gone a little further back on the cut ?
I'm sure once the ring is turned to unlock the unit form the tank, the sending unit can be maneuvered fairly easy to get around the floor.
 

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If you take out the tank first, so you don't start a fire should the o-rings be leaking gas or the vent decides to burp, you'll go through the pain once and have the handy door down the road.

My tank straps required new rubber tank rub protection. The cardboard composite crap was ruined and close to ruining the new tank the PO installed before I got it. My fuel fill hoses were shot out and hard from OEM days of old too. All the hose clamps were bad. The tank seal was full of dirt. The top 3-1/4" x 1/4" o-ring and all the other's required replacement. Then the bolts at the bumper holding the straps were rusted and required cutting to the pivot and welding fresh clean threads long enough to actually re-install the tank without a helper. Think I welded them 2-inches longer than OEM strap threads?

Way easier to re-install.

The hole in the deck is very handy.

Because the rear deck had been subjected to heavy loads by the previous owner(s), I also covered the small patch plate shown above, with a top cover screwed to the top corrugation and then another much wider stainless steel cover over them all. So the entire deck is actually flat again, wheel well to wheel well.

I used wide stainless pan head screws for all the layers. The floor was warped from spare tires bouncing around in there and ranch tools before I got it.
After it was completed, I had concerns about tank safety.

There's a few areas needing some small welded patch metal over the hitch mount blocks.

My new rivet nut tool just arrived along with a nice assortment of McMaster Carr Rivet nuts.
The pointed pan head screws are being replaced with rivet nut fasteners.
The 3/4 pan heads don't even come close to hitting the tank, however if there ever was a collision, they might puncture.

So the access hatch, spare tire bed mounts, shovel, HD Bumper Jacks, recovery equipment, Goldenrod Fence barbed wire tools...
Will all get mounted to the side of the inner bed walls with Rivet nuts.
The cover plate hardware will be shallow with rivet nuts.

Lot less likely to punch through.
If you go with Pan head screws through the deck, you might want to just grind the points off?



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The deck will get coated with bed-liner.
The Stainless 1/8" plate makes a huge difference.


There was years of dirt and rust under there, caked onto the frame and sub-structure.

It's a lot of work and worth it, if you take your time and do a quality job.

Don't forget to use all the fuel before you plan the tank removal.

Even 1/4 tank of gas makes it tough to pull out without a mess or getting gas in your face.

You'll have to drop the tank towards the bumper, so after removing the fill hose and vent line, all the gas will pour out when you angle the tank downwards, (towards the fill port), when you slide off the straps. If you put the truck high on jack stands, you can use a floor jack and a square of plywood to assist with lowering the tank.

Or you can bench press it with a half tank and wash up later, like I was forced to do in a parking lot with Police watching.
The pump went out and there was no deck hole in my 1998 S-10 Blazer.

I'll never forget that night, because the parts store gave me the wrong fuel pump, with 42psi and the S-10 required 70psi pump for the Vortex V-6.
So I had to bench press and eat gas twice in the same parking lot, after asking a stranger for a ride twice, with gas all over my chest.
AutoZ was open till midnight and I swapped out the 42psi for the correct unit at 11:59PM.
Didn't get home until 3:30am. The second time out/in that night, was a lot faster. About 45 minutes faster?
I started the fist attempt at around 7:00PM, when the truck wouldn't start.

So I have done it both ways.

The jack-stand method using the floor jack is a lot less exciting, in my opinion.
The cops who watched me for four hours, after wearing a twice soaked gasoline shirt, would probably disagree though.

You have my vote for The Hatch F/P Access hole.
Just don't blow yourself up cutting it open with a grinding disc?
 
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My tank straps required new rubber tank rub protection.
You can use roofing tar paper or the shinny bubble wrap at Lowes and slap some paint on it.
 

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Y’all
Has anyone cut a hole in the floor to replace the fuel sender and pump
89 burban
I have an 89,, Drop the tank,, you will not be happy trying to get it in through the floor. By the time you cut it, fix the hole you can have the tank R/R.

is there a reason you can't drop it?

Chris
 
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I have an 89,, Drop the tank,, you will not be happy trying to get it in through the floor.
Perhaps on this round dropping the tank may be needed, and then while it's out cut the opening. Unbolting a cover is much less labor-intensive(much easier) than dropping a tank. If it were me I'd prefer going in from a hatch on the top.
 

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Surprisingly timely thread - I mentioned being careful with sparks and now I'm in the position of needing to do this exact thing on mine. I have no idea where to get some extra bed floor material to use as the cover. Dropping the tank 1st would be ideal, but can't be done where its currently stranded and the tow back to the rental shop is 80 miles.
 

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All this talk justifying the hole with “easier to get into the next time”….kinda crazy imo.
Sure, for TBI trucks if you’re buying a Chineseiium pump, and the tuck is a pos, ok.
But how did fix it and ight and fix it once get so lost in this conversation? Even if using a square as a daily driver, if you replace everything properly and with quality parts, maybe you have an issue 10-20 years from now? Guessing most don’t look that far ahead at the important things in life, much less something as uncomplicated as dropping a gas tank.
 

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All this talk justifying the hole with “easier to get into the next time”….kinda crazy imo.
Sure, for TBI trucks if you’re buying a Chineseiium pump, and the tuck is a pos, ok.
But how did fix it and ight and fix it once get so lost in this conversation? Even if using a square as a daily driver, if you replace everything properly and with quality parts, maybe you have an issue 10-20 years from now? Guessing most don’t look that far ahead at the important things in life, much less something as uncomplicated as dropping a gas tank.

...TBI, pos, chinesium...

You forgot misdiagnosed issues, lol

The second time I replaced my pump, it was an AC Delco in place of an AC Delco. And it still didn't fix my issue. My fault, I know that.

But to be fair, it's the quality AC Delco pump that has failed. And it's a 40 gallon tank in a Suburban with a trailer hitch and dual tailpipes. You ever done that fuel pump swap? You would want to have an access panel in the floor too I'll bet.
 

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All this talk justifying the hole with “easier to get into the next time”….kinda crazy imo.
Sure, for TBI trucks if you’re buying a Chineseiium pump, and the tuck is a pos, ok.
But how did fix it and ight and fix it once get so lost in this conversation? Even if using a square as a daily driver, if you replace everything properly and with quality parts, maybe you have an issue 10-20 years from now? Guessing most don’t look that far ahead at the important things in life, much less something as uncomplicated as dropping a gas tank.

I think its less a question of "fix it right" and more a problem of servicability overall. Even a premium part with lifetime warranty can fail. And when it does, being able to do something about it becomes important. Right now my truck is stranded in an unpaved parking area 70 miles from the rental shop. I don't have the option to drain and drop the tank out there, nor would it be advisable to try on soft unlevel sand (plus the property owners would not appreciate the risk of potentially spilling 30 gallons of fuel on their ground). If I had an access port this would be a 60-90 minute job for the cost of a new pump. Without the access port its a 70 mile tow for starters (have not even gotten estimates yet; expecting $400-$600), then I have to figure out how to either drop a full 30 gallon tank solo or find a way to drain it (thanks anti-siphon filler inlet!) before dropping it. And thats assuming the 3 year old fuel pump/pickup_screen/etc inside the tank is even the problem. Its probably the problem since the filter and entire throttle body are new with less than 200 miles on them but again if I could pop it open and inspect, that would either confirm the problem or verify its NOT the problem without going through the processs of removing the tank. Dropping a tank gets complicated when you're doing it by yourself, and the price of poker goes up more if you have to start cutting exhaust stuff to get to it (not sure that will be needed in this case. last one I did required cutting an exhaust and getting a receiver hitch that had been installed 30 years ago off).
 

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I think its less a question of "fix it right" and more a problem of servicability overall. Even a premium part with lifetime warranty can fail. And when it does, being able to do something about it becomes important. Right now my truck is stranded in an unpaved parking area 70 miles from the rental shop. I don't have the option to drain and drop the tank out there, nor would it be advisable to try on soft unlevel sand (plus the property owners would not appreciate the risk of potentially spilling 30 gallons of fuel on their ground). If I had an access port this would be a 60-90 minute job for the cost of a new pump. Without the access port its a 70 mile tow for starters (have not even gotten estimates yet; expecting $400-$600), then I have to figure out how to either drop a full 30 gallon tank solo or find a way to drain it (thanks anti-siphon filler inlet!) before dropping it. And thats assuming the 3 year old fuel pump/pickup_screen/etc inside the tank is even the problem. Its probably the problem since the filter and entire throttle body are new with less than 200 miles on them but again if I could pop it open and inspect, that would either confirm the problem or verify its NOT the problem without going through the processs of removing the tank. Dropping a tank gets complicated when you're doing it by yourself, and the price of poker goes up more if you have to start cutting exhaust stuff to get to it (not sure that will be needed in this case. last one I did required cutting an exhaust and getting a receiver hitch that had been installed 30 years ago off).
If you can get the pump to run one last time, jumper the relay and pump it out. If not you need a HD pump for a motorhome to create enough suction to get the checkball to move. Puny external pump won't do it, it has to be a big-un. Pop told me this trick, but didn't specify the size of the pump. I bought an in-line pump and it wouldn't suck enough to move the check ball. Fortunately the pump still ran and I was able to pump out the fuel.
 

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