'82 GMC no-start issue

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Good evening, y'all.

I have an '82 GMC High Sierra 3500 3+3 4WD truck. Apologies in advance for the lengthy post, but I want to be thorough.

The history: about 15 years ago, we were living in the backwoods of the Missouri Ozarks and a starting issue arose. No parts store around. I found that the starter solenoid was not getting power to engage. So I did what any respectable redneck would do... I ran a hot wire from the battery into the cab to a pushbutton starter switch and then down to the solenoid. I removed the original wire going to the solenoid. From then on, all I had to do was turn the key to the "on" position and hit the button. Worked like a champ... until recently.

Over the past 15 years, I've had no issues except for routine items... batteries, tires, an alternator, etc., with the truck starting and running just fine. I've even replaced the starter pushbutton... the one in use right now is new and tested. The other day, I got in the truck to go to work. Click. Nothing. You could hear the starter solenoid engage, but the starter would not spin. I pulled the battery and had it checked. It tested bad and was replaced. Put the new battery in and hit the start button... nothing.

I then pulled the starter and had it tested. The clerk hadn't secured it right enough it seems, and the dang thing nearly jumped out of the testing station... it tested good. I had also removed the new battery and had it tested as well. It seems that even new parts come bad right off the shelf these days. The battery was Napa-branded and I've had trouble with these lately. The last 2 didn't last longer than about 6 months each. They were all warrantied at no cost.

My thought now was that the original Missouri no-start issue was due to a bad ignition switch. I replaced that today. After I switched the key to the "on" position and lowered the steering column, I checked the switch position of the old one and moved the new switch to the same position and installed it. I had also put the original wire back on the starter solenoid post. This time, no start with the key, but if I pressed the starter button, which is still hooked up, I could again hear the solenoid engage, but the starter would not turn. All fuses tested good in the fuse block.

I did notice something curious: after attempting to start the truck, everything would lose power... interior light, blower, radio, cigarette light plug, everything. Only after you turned the key off and closed the door and let it sit for a bit (maybe almost instantly?) , you could then open the door, see the interior light on, blower and radio work, etc.

The key switch for the ignition acts kinda funky, so my next thought is to replace the key switch. The thought being is that maybe the tumbler/mechanism is not moving the ignition linkage rod to the correct position, or completely, in the ignition switch. The truck has a tilt column, and the steering wheel is wobbly, which is common. This is the motivation I need now to fix this while I have wheel off to replace the key switch.

What am I missing? Any thoughts or advice on possible solutions would be greatly appreciated!

I need my truck!!

Thanks in advance!
 

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Check your grounds. There should be one on the fire wall to the back of the cylinder head on the passenger side. Also the ground wire from the battery should attach to the frame and then from the frame to the block. Find them, pull them, clean them and reattach regardless of of good they look.

After that check your ignition wire from the starter all the way back to the fire wall. Look for a melt point from the exhaust manifold touching the wire.
 

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Check the battery terminals and cables and their connections at both ends. Sounds like you have a connection that can't pull enough amperage. If you have the temporary bolt on battery cable ends,take them apart clean everything good and put them back together. Search volt drop test on here and volt drop test both battery cables.
 
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Sounds exactly like a loose connection problem , like a ground
 

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The wiring schematic for your '82 is here on this forum.
Do you have a volt meter? Do you know how to use it?
 

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Voltmeter is good but won’t solve this. It will show volts but not amperage capacity.

The answer is in the grounds. The moment the high amp draw hits, the ground is fizzing out. Could be the positive cable to the starter but unlikely since you’ve removed and replaced the starter.

Trace your ground wire from the battery. Make sure the connections are clean and tight.

Then press your little button.
 

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Voltmeter is good but won’t solve this. It will show volts but not amperage capacity.

The answer is in the grounds. The moment the high amp draw hits, the ground is fizzing out. Could be the positive cable to the starter but unlikely since you’ve removed and replaced the starter.

Trace your ground wire from the battery. Make sure the connections are clean and tight.

Then press your little button.
A volt meter will show inability to carry amperage,using a volt drop test. You put one meter lead on each end of the suspect cable or wire than try to use the circuit. If the meter shows less than half a volt,your wire or cable can carry the load if it shows more than half a volt your circuit won't carry the amperage. Everyone should learn how to do volt drop tests. I did a click no start diag on my DD using volt drop had it diagnosed and running including repair in under 5 minutes. I wrote it up on here. Something like crank no start volt drop diagnoses.
 

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Apologies for the delayed response. Work has lately been consuming a good portion of my time these days.

The problem has been resolved! I started to quote each one of y'all to reply, but all of y'all were on the right track.

Unfortunately, I can't tell you exactly where the problem was. Tonight, I stripped back every wire and replaced the connections on every power and ground wire in that circuit, including the battery terminals and motor/frame ground connections.

I truly appreciate y'all's helpfulness!
 

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