Mounting new doors before welding in rocker

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Hey, I’m just putting my new doors on my truck and trying to get the gaps all right before I finish welding in my inner and outer rockers, kick panel etc. I’m having troubles tho with the door alignment, the door it self needs to get moved towards the back of the truck but I’m all out of adjustment on the hinge. Not sure if it’s just how these doors fit, if I’m just adjusting them wrong, or if maybe when I cut my rocker off the cab moved back slightly? I ordered shims so I can try that but just wondering what you guys think I could do? If the cab did move what’s the best way to suck it back In? Thanks
 

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Door Hinges 101

The body side of the hinges allow adjustments to be made: up, down and front to back.

The door side if the hinge allows adjustments to be made: up, down, inboard and outboard.


Each adjustment should be made to one hinge side at a time, tighten the bolts and then move to the next adjustment.



Problem and Solution

P: The gap between the top rear of the door and the quarter panel is too close; you need to widen the gap.

S: Make the adjustment at the top body side hinge; nudge it forward until you achieve the appropriate gap.



P: The bottom rear of the door is sticking out and is not flush with the body.

S: Make the adjustment at the top door side hinge; pull the top front of the door outward and you will see the lower rear of the door drift inward.



Top rear in or out = lower door side hinge

Bottom rear in or out = upper door side hinge

Setting gap and angle = body side hinges, up down, forward or back


Alignment of Specific Parts

We’re only going to focus on a few parts in this section because there are only a few panels that are considered bolt-on, while the rest are structural or welded-on parts. We’re going to look at the hood, deck lid, fender and door. We won’t concern ourselves with the bumper assemblies, grilles, headlamps or other miscellaneous parts.

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The door can be difficult, so pay attention! Doors have always been a challenge and require more analytical thinking than other parts. Today’s automatic door glass drop-downs, airbags, electronic latches and locks don’t make them any easier, either. The principal still remains the same, though: the door or doors must be aligned to the closest welded-on parts first (quarters and rockers) before aligning to the bolted-on parts (fenders and other doors).

Think about it! If you’re replacing both same side doors on a four-door hard top, you’ll install and fit the rear door first because the rear door is bound by the quarter panel/dogleg and the rocker panel. Both of these parts are welded on and provide no adjustment, so you’ll fit the rear door to the quarter/rocker opening and then fit the front door to the rear door and adjust the fender to the front door if necessary. That’s the baseline principal, and usually experienced technicians, given all the weight in the doors, like to load their doors before final paint to assure themselves that everything fits properly – which means the latches are hitting the strikers in the middle and the glass is contacting the weather-stripping without slamming or spring-back and popping. The cheapest place to address issues is in front of the paint booth doors.

Can you run out of adjustments when fitting a door? Sure. What do you do then, bend something? You have to, because something bent it out of alignment to begin with. How you do it will determine how much damage you do or don’t do in the process.

If your door is sagging at the rear and dragging on the striker, verify that the hinges aren’t worn out before bending anything. Open the door and lift on the rear of it. If there’s noticeable movement vertically, you may need bushings, hinge pins or new hinges. If new hinges aren’t available, there may be rebuild kits available from the aftermarket.

If the hinges are good but the door won’t take an alignment with the available adjustments … something has to give. In this case, the door is dragging on the striker, so it needs to come up at the back. Loosen the top hinge on the body side slightly. You don’t want to loosen the hinge bolts more than just a half turn on the upper A-pillar. With a jack, a block and some towels, with the door half open, carefully lift the back of the door with a floor jack. Lift the back of the door with pressure on the door frame, not the door edge/flange. Use caution. With the pressure on, use a bar and a 3-lb. hammer and strike the top hinge firmly and squarely forward to slip the hinge.

Repeat the process of striking the upper hinge with the bar and hammer. Release the jack and check the latch-to-striker alignment. There should be no dragging either on the top or bottom of the latch opening. If it closes properly, you’re done after tightening your bolts.

If the door still sags and you’ve determined adjustment in both hinges is maxed out…it’s time to take your actions up a notch. There are several ways to do this, but I’ll discuss two of the least destructive.
The device that looks like a couple of sockets on the opposing ends of a piece of wire is used between the hinge halves and with the door closed on it to bend or “spring” a door into alignment laterally. Go easy! A little bit makes a big difference, a lot is too much and it’s harder to go back. Check the latch-to-striker position now. It’s good, great! Go to the bank and pick up your money.

Another way to do this involves other devices where the door latch closes over the tool and the jamb is used as a fulcrum to lever the door up or down as needed. Use caution and watch the paint where the fender and door intersect at the top.
 

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Don't assume that the door is not the problem. My blazer is presently in the restoration shop and both doors are in need of alterations to make them fit.
 

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I bought some really cheap aftermarket doors in Houston a while back. What a mistake. Doors were impossible to put on. Stay with NOS, or at least PREMIUM aftermarket doors. LMC has some pretty good ones. Those cheap chinese knockoffs are total garbage. Good info above on how to install them BTW.
 

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Ahh - the old "my panels don't fit " question.
Firstly, be aware that they didn't always fit that good from the factory. Todays "laser straight" panel gapped euro cars did not exist with the 70's and 80's technology.
Secondly, as the article above points out, the cheapest time to fix everything is before paint, and yes, start from the rear welded sections first ( like the B pillar ). I have had B pillars welded too far back from the factory tho' and you will never get a good gap. even when pulling the door all the way back on the adjustments.
Thirdly - agree with above, good condition used panels are generally better than "new", if you can find them in good condition, both for shape and material quality.
Fourthly, if you really want good gaps, watch some videos of what the top notch hot rod builders do for shows like AMBR and the Riddler award - such as welding rod along the door edge to extend it into the gap. More work, but that is sometimes what is necessary for a show v. daily fit. - just takes time and dedication.
And last - don't lose you S**t when you come to fit the front fender. Getting a good fit at the top windshield / door / scuttle area is impossible without surgery.
 

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Curious who's doors those are. Like said above, I've also seen the B-pillar be "rolled" or "pulled" too far back from the factory, certainly a possibility. Also, you can always open up the holes in the hinges with a Dremel to get some more adjustment. Without "gapping" like @Fat 454 was talking about, it's a balance between all the gaps. You may never be 100% happy without opening up the holes in the hinge and adding some material to close up your gaps.

Also, make sure you message the top of that door back out, it's definitely in toward the cab too much. I would also suggest fully assembling the door with latches/locks/strikers/regulators/glass etc before paint. You don't wanna discover any surprises after paint. Also, go ahead and put the door seals on while test fitting, that way you know where it's gonna land at the end.
 
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I can tell you on my 1987 being restored I replaced one door with an NOS one. There was a lot of fitting by the body guy to make it work and look decent. Gaps are within acceptable limits to my eye but nothing like a German car's gaps.

The AMD rocker actually fit a bit nicer than the GM NOS one. So far everything I bought from AMD has been good.

I needed one fender and could not find an NOS one and got a nice used one. Body guy said in hindsight we should have gotten a used door. It would have required less work.
 
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Assume those are aftermarket doors because the fit (mostly the top of the A Pillar) is fugly but looks like the doors is bent.
 

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I can tell you on my 1987 being retired I replaced one door with an NOS one. There was a lot of fitting by the body guy to make it work and look decent. Gaps are within acceptable limits to my eye but nothing like a German car's gaps.

The AMD rocker actually fit a bit nicer than the GM NOS one. So far everything I bought from AMD has been good.

I needed one fender and could not find an NOS one and got a nice used one. Body guy said in hindsight we should have gotten a used door. It would have required less work.
Do you actually mean NOS (New, old stock)? As that is the equivalent of used OE parts except new.
 

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Do you actually mean NOS (New, old stock)? As that is the equivalent of used OE parts except new.
Ya know what NOS really means? Wasn't good enough to put on the vehicle on the line so it got kicked down to the parts department for them to deal with later lol
 

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Wait, actually or just making a funny?
Just being funny. NOS is new old stock. It didn't sell 40 years ago for whatever reason,someone forgot it was laying in the backroom. But could have been laying in the backroom because something was wrong with it,no guarantees in life.
 

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Wait, actually or just making a funny?
Half and half. I would say a solid 50% of the NOS stuff I've dealt with/bought/test fit was absolute JUNK, as bad as some of the cheap aftermarket parts (especially the chrome on NOS bumpers). Then some of it's just leftover replacement parts that the manufacturer just never sold over the years.
 

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Do you actually mean NOS (New, old stock)? As that is the equivalent of used OE parts except new.

Yes, brand new GM part that is discontinued. I know what NOS means. The AMD rocker actually fit better. I am talking like a minute difference nothing major. The NOS door I got must have been dropped because it required massaging to get to fit nice. Nothing you could see until mounted on a cab.
 

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