Blower motor wiring

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I’m hoping someone has some tips for the blower motor switch wiring on a ‘79 GMC crew cab, the truck came factory with A/C but it has since been removed. I’ve been reading posts and trying to figure this out now and have tested / replaced the relay, resistor, and fan speed selector switch (all three tested good however the terminals were very rusty and ready to go so I figured if I’m going to keep this truck for a long time I might as well get infront of it) my blower motor has the standard idle speed when the ignition is on, however I have no other speeds. When checking the orange wire at the relay it goes to ground, if I apply 12v to it via a jumper the blower motor kicks into high speed however I did get a good puff of smoke from the plug (which is how I found it goes to ground), I’m going to replace the plug on the relay since it was pretty rough anyways. Now on the selector switch the two middle wires have around 4-6 volts on them, the orange is 0 (as expected) and the brown and white was also reading 0 which I believe is at least part of my problem as I figure that’s where it gets the power to toggle the orange high speed wire. Once I figure out where the brown / white is going and why it doesn’t have power (I have checked all the fuses in my fuse box and also added some missing ones just in case) I believe the high speed should start working, would that also be the cause for the other speeds to also not be functioning? Any help or pointers in the correct direction would be great, thank you!
 

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There are a few systems:

(1) Ones like MINE, a 1978 C15 without air and without a relay, rely on the switch to do all the heavy lifting.

(2) Ones like mine, without air, but that use a relay, so the switch doesn't do any heavy lifting (it just activates the relay/relays).

(3) Ones with air, and that use a relay to feed the blower. In those, the switch activates they relay, rather than feeding the blower directly.

(4) NOTES and RAMBLING:

4.1 If a single relay is used, the relay has to have an input and output terminal for each speed.

4.2 The alternative to a single relay for all speeds would be, a relay for each speed. One advantage would be, even if one relay went out, the others would work, so you could, for example, have low and medium fan speed, and no high speed, or low and high, but no medium. . . .

4.3 For the relay inputs from the switch and outputs to the fan/blower resistor, you'd have a wire for each speed from the control switch.

4.4.1 ALL of these systems had a constant on blower.

4.4.2 MY switch, for my three speed, non-relay system, had gone south. I replaced it with the four speed version. By not wiring the first speed, I, now, have an off position.

4.5 The heater blower is on only when the ignition is in the run position, No power goes to the heater control unit when the ignition is off, or the accessory positions (unless it's been tampered with).

4.6 For MY rig, the heater blower fuse is at the top right of MY fuse box, and is, clearly, labeled.

4.7 MY heater blower uses 14 gauge wire.

4.8.1 For MY C-15, a brown wire runs from the heater fuse to the top terminal of the heater control switch connector. From there, a second brown wire goes straight to the low speed connection on the blower resistor, to create the constant on [low] effect.

4.8.2 Blower high speed is via the full 12 volts, all the other, lower speeds, are via the dropping resistor on the firewall.

4.9 The factory control assembly switch connector works with both 3 and 4 position switches.

4.11 If the resistor is bad, and because high speed bypasses the resistor and goes straight into the blower motor, you should still have high speed, even when lower speeds are dead.

4.12 Because the system relies on tapping the coil resistor at different places for different speeds, the resistor COULD break (open) at one end and still work for one speed.

4.13 If the connection or wire out of the resistor to the blower is bad, none of the speeds should work.

4.14.1 To convert MY system to one with an off position (four positions), I had to shuffle wires around on the switch connector. See examples of before and after, below.

4.14.2 Altering the switch wiring configuration included separating the two brown wires so the fan would have an off, low, medium and high. See attached photos of MY switch connector.

4.15 I'm thinking of adding the three relay approach to mine just because I can, and because I'd still have defrost and heat when one or two went out.

4.16 Generally, relays are cheap, and dependable.

4.17 With power off, you can use an ohm meter to determine the input and output terminals of your control switch.

4.18 If the relay easier to get at, versus pulling the switch, and with the ignition switch in the on position, you should be able to read 12 volts into the relay with the switch on high, medium or low (the wires out of the relay to the blower (high) or resistor (medium and low).

4.19 If you pull the switch assembly, with the connector plugged in, you should get 12 volts on the input from the fuse, regardless of which position the switch is in.

4.20 You can move the positive test lead to other terminals to read the voltage out of them and that feed to the relay or resistor switching through the switch positions. For example, switching to medium, then moving from the input to other terminals, one of them should give you 12 volts again. Then the next speed should give 12 volts at another connector. . . .

4.21 Interesting that ones like mine don't use a relay [and it isn't shown on schematics or wire diagrams], because the same amount of power passes through the switch to the heater in all speeds. It's just that, to get the slower speed, some of the power through the switch is, farther down the line, dropped across the resistor.


Hope that gives some helpful info.
 
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There are a few systems:

(1) Ones like MINE, a 1978 C15 without air and without a relay, rely on the switch to do all the heavy lifting.

(2) Ones like mine, without air, but that use a relay, so the switch doesn't do any heavy lifting (it just activates the relay/relays).

(3) Ones with air, and that use a relay to feed the blower. In those, the switch activates they relay, rather than feeding the blower directly.

(4) NOTES and RAMBLING:

4.1 If a single relay is used, the relay has to have an input and output terminal for each speed.

4.2 The alternative to a single relay for all speeds would be, a relay for each speed. One advantage would be, even if one relay went out, the others would get work, so you could, for example, have low and medium fan speed, and no high speed, or low and high, but no medium. . . .

4.3 For the relay inputs from the switch and outputs to the fan/blower resistor, you'd have a wire for each speed from the control switch.

4.4.1 ALL of these systems had a constant on blower.

4.4.2 MY switch, for my three speed, non-relay system, had gone south. I replaced it with the four speed version. By not wiring the first speed, I, now, have an off position.

4.5 The heater blower is on only when the ignition is in the run position, No power goes to the heater control unit when the ignition is off, or the accessory positions (unless it's been tampered with).

4.6 For MY rig, the heater blower fuse is at the top right of MY fuse box, and is, clearly, labeled.

4.7 MY heater blower uses 14 gauge wire.

4.8.1 For MY C-15, a brown wire runs from the heater fuse to the top terminal of the heater control switch connector. From there, a second brown wire goes straight to the low speed connection on the blower resistor, to create the constant on [low] effect.

4.8.2 Blower high speed is via the full 12 volts, all the other, lower speeds, are via the dropping resistor on the firewall.

4.9 The factory control assembly switch connector works with both 3 and 4 position switches.

4.11 If the resistor is bad, and because high speed bypasses the resistor and goes straight into the blower motor, you should still have high speed, even when lower speeds are dead.

4.12 Because the system relies on tapping the coil resistor at different places for different speeds, the resistor COULD break (open) at one end and still work for one speed.

4.13 If the connection or wire out of the resistor to the blower is bad, none of the speeds should work.

4.14.1 To convert MY system to one with an off position (four positions), I had to shuffle wires around on the switch connector. See examples of before and after, below.

4.14.2 Altering the switch wiring configuration included separating the two brown wires so the fan would have an off, low, medium and high. See attached photos of MY switch connector.

4.15 I'm thinking of adding the three relay approach to mine just because I can, and because I'd still have defrost and heat when one or two went out.

4.16 Generally, relays are cheap, and dependable.

4.17 With power off, you can use an ohm meter to determine the input and output terminals of your control switch.

4.18 If the relay easier to get at, versus pulling the switch, and with the ignition switch in the on position, you should be able to read 12 volts into the relay with the switch on high, medium or low (the wires out of the relay to the blower (high) or resistor (medium and low).
I get 12V into the relay via the red battery wire, and the purple wire when disconnected from the blower motor (which I believe is correct)
4.19 If you pull the switch assembly, with the connector plugged in, you should get 12 volts on the input from the fuse, regardless of which position the switch is in.
I do get 12V into the Heat / A/C switch but not to the fan switch, this may be a major part of my problem
4.20 You can move the positive test lead to other terminals to read the voltage out of them and that feed to the relay or resistor switching through the switch positions. For example, switching to medium, then moving from the input to other terminals, one of them should give you 12 volts again. Then the next speed should give 12 volts at another connector. . . .
I might try this, both relays seem to function from other tests I’ve read on this forum however I could have made a mistake!
4.21 Interesting that ones like mine don't use a relay [and it isn't shown on schematics or wire diagrams], because the same amount of power passes through the switch to the heater in all speeds. It's just that, to get the slower speed, some of the power through the switch is, farther down the line, dropped across the resistor.


Hope that gives some helpful info.
1-3. mine does have a relay, the old one tested good and the new one did as well but I swapped it anyways as I’m updating everything I touch if I can.

I am getting full voltage to the heat / ac toggle (wiring diagram calls it recirc over-ride) but only about 1 volt on the brown-white wire feeding the fan switch, if I put the fan into high the wire feeding the fan switch goes to 0 and the fan slows down. Either of the two middle positions and the brown / white wire matches in incoming tan / white blue wires voltage. the wire from the fuse block to the heat / ac toggle stays at full voltage,.

I did just find that the orange wire rings to ground via the relay, which I suppose makes sense.

I’m inclined to think that the heat / A/c toggle switch is failing or has failed, maybe due to the shorted orange wire.

Now as for the voltage coming from the toggle and feeding the fan switch I can’t seem to find anywhere that says what the correct voltage is, I’m inclined to think it would be 12V based on the wiring diagram, though it could be lower as its just a signal wire. I’m considering putting a jumper to the brown white wire with 12V and seeing if any of my fan switches function.

My primary goal here is to get my high speed back online for the defroster so I can actually drive this truck in the PNW weather, however id like to fix everything correctly so when I can get A/C parts everything functions as it should some day.

Thank you for the reply, its given me some insight into some other options as well
 

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Update, I ran a 12V jumper to the brown white wire on the back of the fan switch, the fan system functioned in all modes as it should. The disconnect has been isolated now to the Heat / A/C switch location, specifically the electrical part of the master vacuum switch, I will replace this and all should be well.
 
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Second update, apparently they don’t make those anymore and the new old stock ones are quite expensive, also turns out they’re relatively easy to take apart with two very small screwdrivers and I was able to clean all of the contacts, sand off the corrosion and lubricate the vacuum slider ever so lightly and everything now functions properly!
 

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Way to go Brandon, good diagnostic, better than me.
 

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Way to go Brandon, good diagnostic, better than me.
Thank you!
And just a side note for anybody that does take that master vacuum switch apart, I’d recommend bending the ends of the copper star slider up a little bit, mine was a tiny bit loose and lost connection going down the road and I had to take it apart a second time.
 

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