pulling motor, trans, n t-case

[td87]

Ok so I am just about ready to install my engine, tranny, and tcase onto my new 1 ton frame. I will be removing the front clip of my truck and installing it on the new frame. Is there any way to remove all 3 at once?

 

[Jake292]

Im pretty sure that you could however, ive never done it myself. IMO it would be easier to put the motor seperate from the tranny and tcase. I would do the engine first. If you were to do it together though I would raise the frount end and put it at a steep angle with the tcase way down and then raise the tcase while you lower the engine.

 

[td87]

Im most likely gonna pull all 3 together and swap them onto my new frame. Do you think the stock brackets from GM mounted on 2 of the intake bolts diagonal to each other would be able to handle all the weight?

 

[Jims86]

Im most likely gonna pull all 3 together and swap them onto my new frame. Do you think the stock brackets from GM mounted on 2 of the intake bolts diagonal to each other would be able to handle all the weight?

kinda risky...I would run an extra chain down behind the engine, and under the bellhousing, maybe bolt the chain to a bellhousing bolt on each side.

 

[smurph20]

When i lift the engines i tear down at work i hook to oppisite sides of the heads and then a chain down to the adapter for the t-case with a lil more tension to hold everything level. # points of attachments just incase something fails.

 

[td87]

Ok thanks I will most likely run an additional chain to the t case adapter just to be sure

 

[chengny]

Component Weight Accuracy Ref. Notes
(lb) (+/- lb) #


complete engine, SBC, Al intake, iron heads 440 20 dry, no accessories or exhaust, 350
complete engine, BBC, Al intake, iron heads 580 6 6 dry, no accessories or exhaust, 454
complete engine, SBC, Al intake, Al heads n/d dry, no accessories or exhaust
complete engine, BBC, Al intake, Al heads 517 6 6 dry, no accessories or exhaust, 454, 4-bolt

block, SBC, cast iron 165 n/d w/o caps
block, BBC Mark IV, cast iron 199.30 0.04 2 4-bolt, w/o caps, w/ all plugs, w/ cam bearings
block, BBC, aluminum 120 n/d 10.2" deck, w/o caps, Merlin

main caps, BBC 4-bolt, Mark IV 20.34 0.02 2 5 caps, w/ bearing halves and 20 bolts

head, SBC, iron 49 2 4 each, casting # x882, fully assembled
head, SBC, iron, "lightweight" casting 47 2 4 each, casting # 462624, fully assembled
head, SBC, Al, Edelbrock perf RPM 60899 24 2 4 each, fully assembled, w/ guideplates
head, BBC, iron 72.5 2 4 each, oval #336781, w/ valves, w/o rockers
head, BBC, iron, bare casting only 65 2 4



Transmission & Driveline


Component Weight Accuracy Ref. Notes
(lb) (+/- lb) #


4-speed, Saginaw n/d
4-speed, Muncie M21 n/d
5-speed, Richmond Street model 99.92 0.02 2 dry
5-speed, Richmond Street model 103.14 0.02 2 wet
Tremec T56 130 2 4 wet, includes bellhousing
3-speed auto, Turbo Hydramatic 350 119 2 4 long tail (not from Camaro) dry, w/o converter
3-speed auto, Turbo Hydramatic 400, short tail 140 2 4 dry, w/o converter
4-speed auto, 700R4 n/d


torque converter, 11" 27 1.5



A NP 205 = 140 lbs:


NP205
Manufacturer: New Process Gear
Number of speeds: Two
High: 1:1
Low: 1.96:1
Case (or housing) material: Cast iron
Front output drive type: Gear (driver or passenger side drop)
Availability or aftermarket parts and support: High - twin stick conversion, underdrive, JB Conversions LoMax 3:1 gearset, doubler setups
Input spline count: 10, 23, 27, 29, 31 or 32
Rear yoke: Slip ('80-and-newer) or fixed ('79-or-older)
Planetary gear: No
PTO output: Yes
Available U-joint sizes for yokes: 1310, 1330, 1350, 1410 or 1310 CV
Flange or slip yoke eliminator available: Yes (flange)
Output shaft spline count: 32
Shifter type: Mechanical
Weight: ~138 pounds
Length: ~13 inches or 16 inches (mount face-to-yoke center)
Commonly found in: '71-to-'80 fullsize Ford, Chevy and Dodge 4WDs, IH trucks



A SBC @450 lbs + a torque converter @ 27 lbs + a TH400 @ 140lbs + a NP 205 @ 140 lbs = 760 lbs


I don't know your exact set up, but the components used for illustration are on the high side. You probably will not exceed this combined weight. Note: All weights a given are dry weights - not that you'd be dropping a drivetrain in with fluids anyway.

Those two lifting padeyes that you are concerned about are plenty strong enough. If remember right, they are the same ones that are used to pull the engine (and often the transmission at the same time) from a car. So it's just the extra 140 lbs for the transfer case.

 

[td87]

Wow extremely useful information, thank you for the input

 

[chengny]

It is a real nice matrix huh? It was originally much bigger. I found it on a Camaro forum/site and many of the part weights wouldn't be useful here. I culled the data that I thought might apply and here it is:

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In case anyone is interested - here is the link to the complete list:

http://brian-callahan.com/Brians stuff/camaro_database.htm

 

[td87]

Wow. I'm gonna be able to find exactly how much everything weighs, will definitely print most of this info out for future uses. Thanks alot!!