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So just got a 73 c20 cheyenne with a 350 eng. And holley carb
The truck starts but only if I pump it with gas.. is this normal? How can I fix it? I tried looking for the fuel filter in the holley carb but can't find it I think its in-line somehwere I will post pic tomorow. But what can be the problem? Thanks :sorry:
 

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This your first carbureted engine vehicle? Every carbureted engine vehicle I have owned required the gas pedal to be pumped to start it, usually just twice pushing the pedal to the floor and releasing. This does two things: it allows the choke linkage to reset; and it primes the intake manifold with fuel. On computer fuel injected engines, the computer does basically the same thing for you when you turn it on.

Or do you mean you have to excessively pump the pedal continuously while grinding away at the starter for 20-30 seconds?
 

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Thanks for the quick response! Yeah its my first carb vehicle, I'm such a newbie... I haven't tried priming it with two pumps like you said. I always just tried starting as is and while its cranking I would pump about 3 to 4 times and bingo. Is this bad?
Should I pump before I even turn the ignition?
And its not a grinding 20 to 30 sec. Thank goodness :)
 

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I usually turn the key to run, pump the pedal to the floor 2-3 times (although 1 should really do it) and then crank. It starts, goes into high idle, and I tap the gas to bump it down to low idle. Try it, its a hell of a lot easier!
 

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Ill try that thanks!
 

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I usually turn the key to run, pump the pedal to the floor 2-3 times (although 1 should really do it) and then crank. It starts, goes into high idle, and I tap the gas to bump it down to low idle. Try it, its a hell of a lot easier!

Just tried it! Worked like a charm and im not killing the starter thanks a ton!
 

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Just tried it! Worked like a charm and im not killing the starter thanks a ton!

Yeah takes a minute to get used to and then have to actually let the truck warm up some lol.
 

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Yeah takes a minute to get used to and then have to actually let the truck warm up some lol.

I know! Im so used to fuel injection where I can just get up and go, but I have to wait.. about how long though?:lazer:
 

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Damn. I'm feeling old. Kids that have never had the pleasure of setting the choke on a cold engine?
 

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Heck my kid saw a model T and asked me if that's what we used to drive when I was young lol

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No. You just have to pump the gas 1-2 times before turning the key lol. When you shut off a hot engine the choke stays wide open. So if you get in when its cold and just crank away it wont start because the choke is not closed. When you pump the gas 1-2 times it resets the linkage allowing the choke to close then when you crank it the engine starts.

just take off the lid of your air cleaner when its cold and get some one to pump the gas 1-2 times with out starting it. You will see that the choke plate is wide open and it will flop closed as the throttle is pumped.
 

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Okay ill try that thanks for going into detail.. I dont have anyone to tell me these things :) so after ive been running it aandthe engine is hot, there is no meed to pump again right? Or always reset everytime you start?
 

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Oh, dear....

Ok, a manual choke has a cable that goes to a knob on the dash. Really old cars and trucks had these. It was easy to look down and see if the choke was applied, and by how much.

You should have a thermostatic choke. That is, a spring coil that expands and shrinks with ambient temps, applying a variable amount of pressure to the choke lever, closing the butterfly. If it is a warm day, on a cold engine, the coil would apply little or no tension to the butterfly, but it shrinks in the cold night air, coiling tighter, applying fairly stiff pressure to hold the choke butterfly closed against engine vacuum when it starts.
Once the engine starts, the spring holds the butterfly closed, and causes the rich condition needed while cold. When the engine begins to warm up, this will be too rich. Two methods were used to address this. One is an electric heated choke coil, that has 9-12 volts applied either directly to the coil spring, or to a heating element mounted right beside it. The other method funnels warm air from a tube that passes through the exhaust cross-over passage. A small vacuum port in the choke coil cover draws the air through. In both cases, they intended the coil to warm about as fast as the engine, so that the choke was no longer applied once the engine was fully warmed up.

Now about starting it each day.....
You drive your car today, engine and choke get hot, and the butterfly is fully opened. You shut it off. Tonight, the temps drop, and the engine chills all the way through. The choke coil tightens up, and applies pressure to the choke lever. The butterfly remains open, though, because the fast idle screw is blocking the choke cam from allowing the butterfly to move. If you simply hop in and crank the engine, you have no choke applied, and the engine won't start. Try it too many times and you may flood the engine, getting a short term start, but it may have to be nursed along.

The right way to start a cold engine: Put the key in the ignition, but don't turn it on. As soon as you do, the heater (electric choke) kicks in and starts to work against you.
Before you turn the key on, depress the peddle one or two times, maybe three. You'll figure out that the colder it is, the more the engine wants.
Don't just slam the pedal to the floor. Depress it moderately slow, like you are driving away. On the last stroke, raise your foot very slowly. This lets the fast idle cam set, and the choke coil will close the butterfly as much as the current temps require.
Now crank it. It should catch and run right away, but probably quite high. Maybe 1200-1500 rpm. Don't freak out. Let it have it's way. If you hear rpm start to climb at all, or after 45 seconds, just lightly tap the pedal. The fast idle cam should fall to the next notch and rpm will come down some. Leave it alone. This is where I usually run back into the house for whatever I forgot. Let the heater start working, whatever, then you can tap the pedal again. When the idle fall down to normal, you are safe to drive away.
 

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