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Most every carbureted vehicle I've ever owned has needed the throttle cracked open at least a little on a hot start after it sat for 15 minutes or so. Some more than others, just depends on the weather and each specific vehicle. Holleys, Edelbrocks, Quadrajets, 2Jets... all of them. Sounds perfectly normal to me.
 

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Most every carbureted vehicle I've ever owned has needed the throttle cracked open at least a little on a hot start after it sat for 15 minutes or so. Some more than others, just depends on the weather and each specific vehicle. Holleys, Edelbrocks, Quadrajets, 2Jets... all of them. Sounds perfectly normal to me.
You also have to pump the gas pedal to get some fuel into the intake. I guess Fuel Injection has us all spoiled.
 

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Most every carbureted vehicle I've ever owned has needed the throttle cracked open at least a little on a hot start after it sat for 15 minutes or so. Some more than others, just depends on the weather and each specific vehicle. Holleys, Edelbrocks, Quadrajets, 2Jets... all of them. Sounds perfectly normal to me.
A properly set up carburetor and engine should not need this. My original quadrajet has updated idle mix screws, secondary rods, and converted to electric choke. Other than that it is all stock. I have a mildly built 350 with bumped up compression and a mild cam and stock everything else. One pump on a normal 30-60 degree day and it fires right up after 2-3 cranks and sits on the high idle step. Starts @900rpm and builds to 1200-1300RPM once warm. Slight tap on the throttle and it drops to the set 750rpm out of gear. If it is sub-30 degrees out I'll use two pumps and get the same startup behaviour. Once it's warm, if I park and go into a store or get some lunch and come back out to it, I just hop right in and it is a single rotation and it fires right up to the hot idle speed. There is absolutely no extended cranking or holding the throttle open at all to get it to fire up when warm.
 

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A properly set up carburetor and engine should not need this. My original quadrajet has updated idle mix screws, secondary rods, and converted to electric choke. Other than that it is all stock. I have a mildly built 350 with bumped up compression and a mild cam and stock everything else. One pump on a normal 30-60 degree day and it fires right up after 2-3 cranks and sits on the high idle step. Starts @900rpm and builds to 1200-1300RPM once warm. Slight tap on the throttle and it drops to the set 750rpm out of gear. If it is sub-30 degrees out I'll use two pumps and get the same startup behaviour. Once it's warm, if I park and go into a store or get some lunch and come back out to it, I just hop right in and it is a single rotation and it fires right up to the hot idle speed. There is absolutely no extended cranking or holding the throttle open at all to get it to fire up when warm.

I dunno, I've driven a lot of low mile, bone stock carb vehicles and it's typical to need at least a smidge of throttle on a warm restart after it's sat for 15 minutes or so. I realize it's been many years now and stuff is old, but even back in the 90's when stuff was newer, that was the case. It was one of the first lessons taught to me by my dad. I'm not old enough to have experience with them right off the showroom floor, but iirc, it's even on the 'starting instructions' decal on the 80's GM sun visors.
 

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And by 'low mile', I mean 10k or under.
 

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When you do a cold start there is no fuel in the intake manifold, and if it’s been sitting for several days there may be no fuel (or very little) in the float bowl). It needs some fuel to get going.
Cold - My procedure is to first pump the throttle 2-3 times and then crank the ignition with my foot off the accelerator. If the truck has been started within the last couple days it will usually then fire. However, if weather has dropped down into the teens it’s may not keep running easily. I often have to let it idle several minutes before it pulls without a part throttle bog.
- If it has been several days since driving the truck, I also first pump the throttle 2-3 times to add fuel and set the choke , but it may not fire because the float bowl has nothing for the accelerator pump to pump. I then turn it over again for a few seconds so the mechanical pump can fill the float bowl, and then do my normal cold start procedure.

For a hot restart I usually just crank ignition and keep my foot off the throttle. If I pump the throttle when it’s hot it gets too much fuel and floods.
 

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automatic choke needs properly adjusted, same with timing, too far advanced
 

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I dunno, I've driven a lot of low mile, bone stock carb vehicles and it's typical to need at least a smidge of throttle on a warm restart after it's sat for 15 minutes or so. I realize it's been many years now and stuff is old, but even back in the 90's when stuff was newer, that was the case. It was one of the first lessons taught to me by my dad. I'm not old enough to have experience with them right off the showroom floor, but iirc, it's even on the 'starting instructions' decal on the 80's GM sun visors.
I'm just curious why you would think that is? The throttle is set to provide the proper amount of air and fuel flow for the vehicle to idle properly(750rpm in neutral in my case) without toughing the throttle pedal. The only thing I can think of that would require a touch of throttle would be to help clear a rich condition in the manifold from it sitting or maybe a small squirt of gas from the accelerator pump to help get it going?

I will say, that the key here is properly set up and adjusted carb and timing. Mine is dialed in with an AFR gauge and lots of fiddling. One pump on a cold start and no touching of the throttle for a warm or hot start. Fires in just a few cranks just like an EFI vehicle. If it hasn't run in a few days, I will usually have to crank it for 2-3 seconds to fill the bowl, then a single pump and it fires right up on the high idle and choke. Ready to drive immediately with no issues.
 

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Sorry.....NOT in my world.^^^^^^^^^ I have the same reaction with my square as as Andy @bucketand that's ok. I'm used to it and I adapted
 

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Sorry.....NOT in my world.^^^^^^^^^ I have the same reaction with my square as as Andy @bucketand that's ok. I'm used to it and I adapted
Not saying you guys don't have that experience. Just saying you don't have to. Just because you have always set up your carbs to need to touch the throttle to start them, doesn't mean you NEED to set them up that way.

And by 'low mile', I mean 10k or under.
Just because it's new, doesn't mean it is right. It's just like the difference between taking a new off the lot modern EFI vehicle with the stock, canned, good enough for everybody with every engine tune and then comparing it to the drivability, power, and economy of a vehicle that has even a moderate amount of tuning done to it. It's not uncommon on a stock tune to see 5-15% LTFT's on it as the computer adjusts everything to the specific conditions of THAT specific engine compared to the tune that is designed to work on EVERY engine of that model. The factory leaves a lot on the table because they are mass producing something to work for every specimen of that vehicle. If you took that new, less than 10k mile vehicle and gave the carb and timing a good tuning adjustment for the specific engine and environmental conditions, I bet you wouldn't have that problem any more.
 

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I put an AVS2 on a Chevy "Base 350" 330 HP 9.0:1 CP crate engine with box-stock MSD 8365 distributor.

It runs fine, but it runs ridiculously rich, even after it warms up. Can anybody give me an idea of jets and rods to try?

Any ideas would be welcome.
 

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I just converted my 87 from TBI to carb and using the same carb (AVS2) at 4 psi with an air gap manifold. I have used basically the same set up on my last few burbs as well and even warm I still give it a pump or 2 when re-starting. Just the nature of a carb vs TBI. As stated above, dial in your timing first.
 

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I put an AVS2 on a Chevy "Base 350" 330 HP 9.0:1 CP crate engine with box-stock MSD 8365 distributor.

It runs fine, but it runs ridiculously rich, even after it warms up. Can anybody give me an idea of jets and rods to try?

Any ideas would be welcome.
When is it rich,at cruise,at idle,on acceleration?
 

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It is rich at idle for sure, Rick. I can smell it. It accelerates with a bit of black smoke on full throttle (accel pump). It cruises at 3 MPG, which means rich to me.

So... pretty much everywhere.
 

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It is rich at idle for sure, Rick. I can smell it. It accelerates with a bit of black smoke on full throttle (accel pump). It cruises at 3 MPG, which means rich to me.

So... pretty much everywhere.
Have you checked vacuum at idle,and have you checked vacuum advance cannister. Believe it or not low vacuum and/or ruptured vacuum advance cannister will cause a rich mixture. Not saying it's causing yours or not,but I'd definitely check. The reason is at idle you are supposed to have high vacuum and pulling fuel from the idle circuit only. When you step on the pedal vacuum drops and the carbureator adds fuel,it's signal to add fuel is low vacuum. So if you have low vacuum your carbureator is continually adding fuel because it things you are on the throttle,if you are on the throttle at cruise its still reading a low vacuum so still adding fuel for power. The vacuum advance cannister rupture which not only alters your vacuum reading,but also doesn't have enough timing to completely burn the incoming air fuel charge. That is the reason for the timing advancing is to light the fire early enough to burn completely. Also Edelbrocks don't like too much fuel pressure so might want to check that also. After you've checked those things if you haven't found anything ,we can dive deeper. Also if mixture is incorrectly or timing is incorrectly set,and you crank the throttle stop screw in to hold the throttle plates open so it will Idle, it draws fuel from the transition circuit and the idle circuit at idle.
 

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