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I'm currently looking at buying a 77 C15. Very clean truck at a good price. Its got the 3 on the tree which is fine I've got 1 truck with a 78 SM465 in it and another thats about to get one in it. My main question is what kind of transmission would be in this C15? Is it the 465 with different shifters or is it completely different?
 

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Raises a good point and i have no idea, i was gunna comment something then thought deeper and realize i think i corrected myself so.... i know one of the smart ones will chime in. Also sweet that its a 3 on the tree!!
 

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It's 3 on the tree, not 4. Three speeds, not with bull low like the 465. Pretty limited for a work truck actually.
I guess it's a 4 speed if you count reverse haha.

I'm not positive but I think a 465 will bolt to your bell housing and clutch..
 

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Yep not a SM465.
 

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That would be a Saginaw 3 speed. Keep it!! They are starting to get rare. They don't like hurried when shifted from 1st to 2nd, but are a blast to drive.

Just quoting this because it needs emphasis.
 

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It's 3 on the tree, not 4. Three speeds, not with bull low like the 465. Pretty limited for a work truck actually.
I guess it's a 4 speed if you count reverse haha.
Better watch it or @HotRodPC will stick a clutch plate in your output shaft. :cool:
 

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Actually, the Saginaw holds up well in a work truck. We put em to the test, never broke one. Hauled many loads of hay and seed beans. 1st is a tad high for pulling grain, worked clutch a little hard. I will have another one in the future.
 

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Sounds like this truck will definitely be worth a look. I'm going to look at it and maybe buy it in a day or 2 so will update on that
 

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You won't be disappointed. 3 on the tree is fun to drive. If the shifting is off the linkages on the column in the engine bay may need to be adjusted to get it all back in line. Trust me, you'll know if it's off, reverse will be hard to shift into, and it will just not feel right. If it shifts like butter it's good.
 

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You won't be disappointed. 3 on the tree is fun to drive. If the shifting is off the linkages on the column in the engine bay may need to be adjusted to get it all back in line. Trust me, you'll know if it's off, reverse will be hard to shift into, and it will just not feel right. If it shifts like butter it's good.

If it gets real bad, it'll stick in reverse too, lol.

The adjustment is super easy too, it might take 5 minutes.
 

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I had 3 on the Tree on my 77 1/2 ton van back in Hawaii. Odd at first but I learned to love it, although the clutch was heavy! my leg would start shaking if a light was too long. :laughing1:
 

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I had 3 on the Tree on my 77 1/2 ton van back in Hawaii. Odd at first but I learned to love it, although the clutch was heavy! my leg would start shaking if a light was too long. :laughing1:

Your leg was trying to tell you something. It is a good idea to shift to neutral and release the clutch while waiting a few minutes at an intersection. Less wear on the throw-out bearing if you drive this way. Yes the counter shaft will keep spinning, so when you go to put it back in gear you need to wait just a moment for the syncro to stop the counter shaft.
 

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I spent more than $100 trying to restore the column shifter on my 82 C10. But almost none of the parts were available, and that was 5 years ago. I ended up making some bushings using shim stock to reduce the slop. Also used a hard plastic cap I found somewhere as a bushing! The slop was pretty much gone, but a part I couldn't find was the "shift bowl" which is the cast "pot metal" part that the shift handle connects to. Mine had been cracked where the handle attaches and repaired with epoxy, but I simply didn't trust it. Can't weld those things, either. Sold the whole thing to a guy with a sloppy column, but he had an NOS shift bowl. Perfect for him!

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On another note, some of the slop can be caused by worn shift forks, which are still available and can be easily replaced.

Also, keep in mind the Saginaws came with up to 4 different sets of gear ratios depending on year and engine size. The base 6-cylinder engines got a trans with a 3.50 1st gear for lots of torque multiplication to get rolling. At the other extreme was trans with 2.54 first gear for large V-8s. And one or two more in the middle for 292 six and 305. 2nd gear ratios were also different to keep the RPM drops between gears optimal.

If a trans with 3.50 1st gear was used behind a V-8, it probably wouldn't handle the torque multiplication for very long.:eek: Same was true for Muncie 4-speeds -- most engines got a 2.52 (or 2.56) 1st gear, whereas the high performance engines got 2.20, and above that was 2.20 with straighter cut gears for even more torque handing capability.
 

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