Harmonic Vibration

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Warrantied the reman pump and bought a new one instead. Checked for endplay before I left Napa. Went a little coockoo on my water pump and fan to clutch bolts. I used a milligram scale and bench grinder to balance them to within a few mg of each other. I know I have issues, but at least I know they aren’t throwing off the balance.

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Figured I’d find some plastic or sheet metal to extend my fan shroud about 3/4” while the fan is off. Although, I’m considering going with a Lincoln Mark VIII fan since the Holley Sniper has built in fan controllers. That will further remove any potential imbalance of the clutch fan.
 

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Warrantied the reman pump and bought a new one instead. Checked for endplay before I left Napa. Went a little coockoo on my water pump and fan to clutch bolts. I used a milligram scale and bench grinder to balance them to within a few mg of each other. I know I have issues, but at least I know they aren’t throwing off the balance.

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Figured I’d find some plastic or sheet metal to extend my fan shroud about 3/4” while the fan is off. Although, I’m considering g
Went a little coockoo...used a milligram scale anto balance them to within a few mg of each other.OTE]
Warrantied the reman pump and bought a new one instead. Checked for endplay before I left Napa. Went a little coockoo on my water pump and fan to clutch bolts. I used a milligram scale and bench grinder to balance them to within a few mg of each other. I know I have issues, but at least I know thUOTE]
 

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I think OCD has taken over at this point.
 

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I think OCD has taken over at this point.
OCD took over a long time ago, lol!

Other people can’t even notice the issue I’m chasing. That’s how minuscule it is. It bothers me, though.

Test drive tomorrow and my fingers are crossed.
 

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Warrantied the reman pump and bought a new one instead. Checked for endplay before I left Napa. Went a little coockoo on my water pump and fan to clutch bolts. I used a milligram scale and bench grinder to balance them to within a few mg of each other. I know I have issues, but at least I know they aren’t throwing off the balance.

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Figured I’d find some plastic or sheet metal to extend my fan shroud about 3/4” while the fan is off. Although, I’m considering going with a Lincoln Mark VIII fan since the Holley Sniper has built in fan controllers. That will further remove any potential imbalance of the clutch fan.
The problem is obvious... everything is too ******* clean and immaculate.
 

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A little dirt and grime can maybe balance out the vibes a bit? Lol
 

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The problem is obvious... everything is too ******* clean and immaculate.
Funny you mention it. My next attempt to fix the problem was to mix some used oil and a few shovel fulls of dirt to dump everywhere. I think it ought to sort it out right quick.
 

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One thing I was thinking about is that my oem steel wheels are hub centric. My American racing alloys are not. The hub bore is oversized...
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One thing I was thinking about is that my oem steel wheels are hub centric. My American racing alloys are not. The hub bore is oversized...
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Hmmm. You have a point there!
 

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Hmmmmmx2

I also have aftermarket alloy wheels. Obviously mine aren't hub centric because they bolted right up after the Dana 60 swap.

Interesting.
 

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Over the last few weeks I’ve noticed a vibration of sorts with my truck. It’s barely there, but I notice it and feel it’s getting more prevalent.

It’s only noticeable above 55. It isn’t in sync with engine or wheel speed. The best I can describe it, is that it goes in and out like when your phone vibrates with a silent alarm- on then off, on then off. Sometimes with a 1 second pause, but sometimes even shorter. It changes frequency, even when rpm and speed are steady. If going say ~65mph with the gas on, the vibration is as described, but it seems like when I lift(no load), the vibration significantly dissipates or disappears. If anyone has ever ridden a dirt bike at constant high rpm in a desert or dual sport situation that doesn’t have a balanced crank, it’s almost like the harmonic vibration you feel between your ankles when squeezing the case.

At first I thought maybe it was the driveshaft. I recently put new u-joints in when I had my driveshaft out to replace my pinion seal. Tomorrow morning, I’m having it balanced. The weird thing is they balance it with the transfer case yoke attached, but not the diff yoke. Why do people say to keep track of driveshaft to diff yoke orientation if they aren’t balanced together?

The other moving items I haven’t replaced:

—th400, feels fine & shifts well. New oil and filter a couple thousand miles ago. Oil that was drained out also looked brand new.

—bearings in transfer case, the splined shaft on the yoke side has no noticeable play with driveshaft removed and the seal never weeps oil as I’d suspect it would if vibration were present there

—any bearings in the 14bff. It has new fluid and again the fluid that came out looked really good. I have all new wheel/hub bearings, just haven’t had the time to install. I wanted to look at the condition of the shaft where the bearing rides as well as the splines when they come out.

Only other culprits I can think of might be wheel/tire balance, but both are brand new, just rebalanced when rotated and it’s not in time with revolutions. Not sure if that last point can rule them out or not. Also, haven’t gotten around to replacing tie rod ends or rebuilding my D60 kingpins. The truck has really low mileage and was maintained by the military, so I’m assuming they kept up on greasing the kingpins.

I did go through and recheck torque on all suspension and steering items since this truck was fully disassembled and reassembled by me and everything checked out.

Thanks Guys

I had something similar on my '74. It drove me nuts for weeks.

I eventually found that I had left my torque wrench under my seat, and that the needle thing was vibrating against the floor.
 

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I had something similar on my '74. It drove me nuts for weeks.

I eventually found that I had left my torque wrench under my seat, and that the needle thing was vibrating against the floor.

Thank God you didn't lose your vibrating thing in your bed. Lol
 

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I had something similar on my '74. It drove me nuts for weeks.

I eventually found that I had left my torque wrench under my seat, and that the needle thing was vibrating against the floor.
There’s nothing in my truck at the moment...
 

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Hmmm. You have a point there!
Hmmmmmx2

I also have aftermarket alloy wheels. Obviously mine aren't hub centric because they bolted right up after the Dana 60 swap.

Interesting.
I read several posts last night where this was the cause and that the rings cured it.
 

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