Th400 stout build.

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Who here can point me in the right direction of someone who can build a stout th400 that'll take 7-8000 pounds constantly, 600 ft ibs of power, 53" tires with 6.44 gears?
Or can someone around point me in the direction of how to do it myself.
Got a quote from TCI and patriot, but those are kinda tough $$$ amounts to swallow

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I have built many 400 transmissions for high 7 second street cars, 600lbs-ft of torque is no big deal. Look for a 69-71 core. Those will have the good aluminum pistons, the updated center support, and the smooth style direct clutch that will accept a 34 element sprag. All those parts can be added, but with additional expense.

Use a TH350 pump bearing and shim in place of the rear selective thrust washer and shim. Get rid of all the plastic thrust washers, either buy a bearing kit, or make sure your core has the bearings with additional rollers.

Use a 4L80 intermediate clutch backing plate, 4L80 thin steels, and 4 standard 400 clutches. This will allow 4 clutches in place of the factory 3. Use a .106 snap ring from a 727 Chrysler rear clutch. It’s a little thicker, and much wider than the factory snap ring. This is the same snap ring included in the TransGo shift kits.

If your using a valve body with fixed line pressure (no vacuum modulator) make sure you use Teflon sealing tings over the cast iron rings. The high line pressure will eventually wear out the rings and cut grooves in the parts the rings seal against.

Don’t use the stamped steel pistons. They are pretty flimsy. Use the early aluminum pistons, or the bonded direct piston and return springs from the 4L80. The direct piston will fit the forward clutch, just omit the center seal. There are clutch kits to fit 6 clutches in a 5 clutch drum, or some of the later 4L80 direct drums have 6 clutches factory.

The forward clutch hub is probably the only questionable part. Use a aftermarket steel hub, or the 4L80 uses a steel part.

Im not going to offer suggestions on valve body yet, that depends on if you want a auto shift, manual, and if the manual is a forward or reverse shift pattern.

The 400 is very strong, properly built and with the tight parts it will hold up to more power than the engineers ever thought it would see. Just keep it clean, pay attention to end play, and work slowly and carefully.
 
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I have built many 400 transmissions for high 7 second street cars, 600lbs-ft of torque is no big deal. Look for a 69-71 core. Those will have the good aluminum pistons, the updated center support, and the smooth style direct clutch that will accept a 34 element sprag. All those parts can be added, but with additional expense.

Use a TH350 pump and shim in place of the rear selective thrust washer and shim. Get rid of all the plastic thrust washers, either buy a bearing kit, or make sure your core has the bearings with additional rollers.

Use a 4L80 intermediate clutch backing plate, 4L80 thin steels, and 4 standard 400 clutches. This will allow 4 clutches in place of the factory 3. Use a .106 snap ring from a 727 Chrysler rear clutch. It’s a little thicker, and much wider than the factory snap ring. This is the same snap ring included in the TransGo shift kits.

If your using a valve body with fixed line pressure (no vacuum modulator) make sure you use Teflon sealing tings over the cast iron rings. The high line pressure will eventually wear out the rings and cut grooves in the parts the rings seal against.

Don’t use the stamped steel pistons. They are pretty flimsy. Use the early aluminum pistons, or the bonded direct piston and return springs from the 4L80. The direct piston will fit the forward clutch, just omit the center seal. There are clutch kits to fit 6 clutches in a 5 clutch drum, or some of the later 4L80 direct drums have 6 clutches factory.

The forward clutch hub is probably the only questionable part. Use a aftermarket steel hub, or the 4L80 uses a steel part.

Im not going to offer suggestions on valve body yet, that depends on if you want a auto shift, manual, and if the manual is a forward or reverse shift pattern.

The 400 is very strong, properly built and with the tight parts it will hold up to more power than the engineers ever thought it would see. Just keep it clean, pay attention to end play, and work slowly and carefully.
Manual valve body, normal shift pattern

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Are you planning to use a TransGo shift kit with the manual shift calibration?
 

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Are you planning to use a TransGo shift kit with the manual shift calibration?
Out of my league with that, what is it

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The TransGo kit with the manual shift calibration removes all automatic functions. You put in 3rd gear, it’s in third gear no matter what speed your going. The standard shift kit firms up the shifts, but remains a automatic shift. Put it in drive, the trans will shift 1st, 2nd, 3rd, just like before but much firmer.
 

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Ah so the trans go is a manual valve body then

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You can set it up either way.
 

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There is only two real transmission,s

TH 400.or a TH 700 with out computer.

These two are strong.never ever go with a ml60 electronic or a ML 80 Electronic

They are defective from the factory.you may could buy one cutom built.but why would you want a trans that has to use a computer.

With the 400.you can go fast and they hold up.with the TH 700 you have over drive.to save gas.and go with more high speed.

Go look at them at jeggs.there are on line places.that custom build their on.depends what you want to do

How fast and how quick.
 

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All so with ml 60 and 80.the sunshields crack strip.go bad.they hold a clutch pack.it and a few other parts have to be replaced

With aftermarket parts.like the beast sunshield..they have a oiling problem too

Chevy could never fix or figure out the problem.
 

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The 4l60E (or 700) with or with out the computer has the same basic internal parts. The 3-4 clutch pack has always been a issue. There are 5,6, and 7 clutch packs from the factory, there are aftermarket kits to add up to 9 clutches, or the Raybestos Z pack has 18 one sided plates that alternate internal and internal splines. This basically creates 18 friction surface in the same space as the factory 7 plates. There are many servo options, the corvette servo is the largest factory part, there are larger aftermarket parts that add additional clamping force on the band.

The biggest issue with the 4L60 trans is when you add enough frictions and clamping force to hold serious power, it starts breaking hard parts. The weakness is the input housing. Eventually the input shaft will break the aluminum housing. If a overdrive is a requirement, the 4L80 is the only option. You can build the stoutest 700 with every updated/upgraded part, it will still be far weaker than a stock 4L80. The 4L80 is basically a 400 with a overdrive clutch in front of the forward clutch. Many 4L80 parts are nothing more than upgrades 400 parts. And, for those of you following drag racing, the TCI 6 speed trans is a 4l80 with valve body modifications to allow the overdrive clutch to apply in 1st and second gear. You have 1st gear, 1st gear with overdrive, 2nd gear, 2nd over, 3rd, 3rd with overdrive, etc.
 
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